Desconhecido: In that respect, Partido Missão is a right-wing party.
Desconhecido: And I'd like you to say how it differs from other right-wing parties, like the PL and bolsonarism—this bolsonarist line. You also criticize bolsonarism and have tried to distance yourselves from it, unlike others with a new party.
Well, first, the PL is not a right-wing party; the PL is a Centrão party—Valdemar da Costa Neto doesn't have any ideology, in fact... I'd say if Valdemar were an ideological politician, his pocket would be full of ideology.
Kim Kataguiri: That's not the case; he doesn't believe in anything.
Kim Kataguiri: He was arrested in the Mensalão, he was part of Dilma's government base, he was part of Lula's government base, then opportunistically he stuck with Bolsonaro, making Bolsonaro a hostage in his own party—so he has no ideology at all.