Romeu Zema: Only those who are not doing the right thing don't want to show it.
Romeu Zema: And, unfortunately, the majority of politicians in Brazil have this view, this concept that public things are kind of their private property and not something that needs to have an accounting as open and transparent as possible.
I will answer part of the... I would say that both Alexandre de Moraes and Dias Toffoli are involved in the same problem.
Romeu Zema: They committed criminal acts, but each in their own way.
Romeu Zema: I think the other ministers must be extremely outraged with Alexandre de Moraes, since he was a much more skillful negotiator, he got a much more expressive amount.