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expenditures.",{"idx":80,"utterance_id":81,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":82,"start_s":83,"end_s":84,"word_count":85,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":86,"target_proposition":87,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":88,"rationale":89},2,"38958","And now, in several interviews he's giving to signal to the financial market, he complains and says that it's Congress that is approving bombshell measures.",10.24,17.28,28,"e3df507c-0351-4355-9e09-0609c89c5a7a","government assume responsibility for bombshell measures approved in the National Congress",0.7,"criticizes the minister for shifting blame to Congress, calling for accountability.",{"idx":91,"utterance_id":92,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":93,"start_s":94,"end_s":95,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":97,"target_proposition":98,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":100,"rationale":101},4,"38960","But the government's base votes unanimously in favor of these bombshell measures; in fact, the majority of Bolsonaro-aligned deputies also vote for these measures.",18.3,26.98,23,"4ea8a257-672b-4341-a0f1-45fb5e7e0853","approve bombshell measures in the National Congress","neutro_descritivo",0.86,"reports that the base votes unanimously in favor of the so-called 'pautas bomba'.",{"idx":103,"utterance_id":104,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":105,"start_s":106,"end_s":107,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":108,"target_proposition":109,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":111},6,"38962","The only one who didn't vote for any of them was me — the only one, truly the only one; it's not that I'm part of a minority.",27.98,33,"e5b10607-088e-4c25-a30c-46b17ec629f0","vote against bills that increase mandatory expenditures",0.78,"claims to have been the only one to vote against those measures (claim of 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making the country unviable.",{"idx":147,"utterance_id":148,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":149,"start_s":150,"end_s":151,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":152,"rationale":153},13,"38969","And I agreed with every word, 100% of what that person said.",70.96,75.16,0.9,"states he agrees 100% with the criticism about mandatory expenditures.",{"idx":143,"utterance_id":155,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":156,"start_s":157,"end_s":158,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":159},"38973","For two years I've been warning about this issue of mandatory expenditures bulldozing the budget; we no longer have discretionary spending.",85.2,93.9,"says that for two years he has warned about mandatory expenditures steamrolling the budget.",{"idx":37,"utterance_id":161,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":162,"start_s":163,"end_s":164,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":165,"rationale":166},"38974","But the one who promoted this advance of mandatory expenditures was the Lula government, through the transition PEC.",94.78,100.68,0.75,"attributes the growth in mandatory expenditures to a measure of the previous government (criticism).",{"idx":15,"utterance_id":168,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":169,"start_s":170,"end_s":171,"word_count":85,"topic_slug":172,"topic_label":173,"target_id":174,"target_proposition":175,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":88,"rationale":176},"38975","Our spending is tied; increases in revenue force us to spend more because of earmarks to tax revenue and to net current revenue.",102.02,112.88,"orcamento-publico","Public Budget","6c6e036d-e09c-418c-8705-56c7a0bd2c0f","avoid revenue earmarks that increase mandatory expenditures","explains a linking mechanism that forces spending increases when revenue rises.",{"idx":178,"utterance_id":179,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":180,"start_s":181,"end_s":182,"word_count":147,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":165,"rationale":183},21,"38977","So the trampling by mandatory expenditures came from measures sent by the Lula government.",115.76,121.1,"attributes the overrunning of mandatory expenditures to measures by the previous government (criticism).",{"idx":118,"utterance_id":185,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":186,"start_s":187,"end_s":188,"word_count":118,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":189,"target_proposition":190,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":191,"rationale":192},"38978","Then you might tell me, 'No, the transition PEC was approved in the previous government, but with a majority built by the Lula 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I was here, and those who orchestrated its approval were the Lula government, the PT.",131.64,135.84,"attributes the orchestration of the approval to the Lula\u002FPT government.",{"idx":210,"utterance_id":211,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":212,"start_s":213,"end_s":214,"word_count":215,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":216,"target_proposition":217,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":135,"rationale":218},25,"38981","So that there could be fiscal space in the next year, not based on revenue increases nor on spending cuts, but on the growth of debt.",136.74,146.14,26,"5f793196-4df0-4c93-a048-74b84336f4c8","finance fiscal space by increasing debt","states that the PEC sought fiscal space not through revenue or cuts, but via the debt.",{"idx":73,"utterance_id":220,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":221,"start_s":222,"end_s":223,"word_count":45,"topic_slug":224,"topic_label":225,"target_id":226,"target_proposition":227,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":119,"rationale":228},"38983","Of the R$200 billion in stimuli that have been granted by the government since last year, this is an estimate by Mansueto and Samuel Pessoa, whom I imagine Your Excellency respects, 94% fall outside the primary result because of budgetary maneuvers, including one of them... already pointed out by the Federal Court of Accounts, the existence of a parallel budget, because the government sends it to a private fund; this is one of the maneuvers, not all of them.",152.88,182.7,"transparencia-fiscal","Fiscal Transparency","fe10a87c-a1de-4b78-9c9c-3f4eb8df3639","avoid budget maneuvers that exclude expenditures from the primary balance","denounces 94% of stimuli occurring outside the primary result due to budgetary maneuvers.",{"idx":85,"utterance_id":230,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":231,"start_s":232,"end_s":233,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":224,"topic_label":225,"target_id":235,"target_proposition":236,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":77,"rationale":237},"38984","They send it to a private fund, execute public policy spending through that private fund, and this occurs in the budget that is outside the General Budget of the Union, which is not under our control in parliament, and which takes place in a very non-transparent manner.",183.06,196.74,44,"e9de56ef-663e-490b-acb1-bbffc1833986","end implementation of public policies by private funds outside the General Budget of the Union","accuses transfer to a private fund and execution outside the OGU, without transparency.",{"idx":239,"utterance_id":240,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":241,"start_s":242,"end_s":243,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":97,"target_proposition":98,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":165,"rationale":244},29,"38985","Your Excellency complained in several interviews that I watched and read in recent weeks about the so-called bombshell measures approved by the National Congress.",199.06,209.24,"records the minister's complaints about 'pautas bomba' approved by Congress.",{"idx":246,"utterance_id":247,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":248,"start_s":249,"end_s":250,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":108,"target_proposition":109,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":119,"rationale":251},30,"38986","I was here for the vote on each one of them and I voted against each of them.",210.64,213.92,"says he was present at each vote and voted against (claim of action).",{"idx":253,"utterance_id":254,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":255,"start_s":256,"end_s":257,"word_count":138,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":97,"target_proposition":98,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":119,"rationale":258},31,"38987","The entirety of the Lula government's base voted in favor of them, Minister.",214.66,218.62,"states that the entirety of the government's base voted in favor of those measures.",{"idx":260,"utterance_id":261,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":262,"start_s":263,"end_s":264,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":265,"target_proposition":266,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":267},32,"38988","Seven — there were seven special retirements, salary floors, both in committees and in the plenary of the Chamber.",219.5,225.44,"3c638d4c-b59b-4830-bb5d-21800d64d76c","approve bombshell measures that increase public spending","lists seven special pensions and salary floors approved (description).",{"idx":269,"utterance_id":270,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":271,"start_s":272,"end_s":273,"word_count":215,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":97,"target_proposition":98,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":274},36,"38992","All those bombshell measures that the Ministry of Finance, that the Lula government, place under the responsibility of the National Congress received unanimous votes from the government.",237.28,247.2,"attributes responsibility for the approved measures to Congress's votes.",{"idx":276,"utterance_id":277,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":278,"start_s":279,"end_s":280,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":86,"target_proposition":87,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":88,"rationale":281},37,"38993","And I know there is a strategy on the part of the government to try to say, 'No, it was Congress that did it.'",249.14,255.38,"Accuses the government of a strategy of blaming the National Congress, calling for a different stance.",{"idx":283,"utterance_id":284,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":285,"start_s":286,"end_s":287,"word_count":178,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":165,"rationale":288},45,"39001","So, all the bombshell measures that the government now complains about, that are squeezing budget space, had unanimous support.",278.8,291.18,"Claims that budget‑busting proposals that squeeze the budget had unanimous support.",{"idx":290,"utterance_id":291,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":292,"start_s":293,"end_s":294,"word_count":143,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":295,"target_proposition":296,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":297,"rationale":298},51,"39007","So, from a fiscal standpoint, I help the government more than the government's base does.",305.24,308.9,"0031df23-0aa0-4024-b540-b8914438444c","adopt fiscal responsibility in government",0.72,"Says he helps the government more on the fiscal aspect than the government's own base does.",{"idx":300,"utterance_id":301,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":302,"start_s":303,"end_s":304,"word_count":246,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":295,"target_proposition":296,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":305,"rationale":306},52,"39008","I am more aligned with Your Excellency's interviews than with the PT base and the government's base, which were in favor of all the bombshell measures.",308.94,317.08,0.76,"Says he aligns more with the minister's interviews than with the PT base.",{"idx":308,"utterance_id":309,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":310,"start_s":311,"end_s":312,"word_count":313,"topic_slug":314,"topic_label":315,"target_id":316,"target_proposition":317,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":119,"rationale":318},54,"39010","So you can't have a more responsible, correct and orthodox discourse at the Ministry of Finance, and yet politically blow up the public accounts and do the opposite of what the Minister of Finance preaches.",323.52,337.32,35,"governanca-politica","Political Governance","961bdc56-b456-4f0e-add9-298c9091aa5e","align the government's political actions with fiscal responsibility rhetoric","Criticizes the contradiction between the Ministry's rhetoric and the government's political actions.",{"idx":320,"utterance_id":321,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":322,"start_s":323,"end_s":324,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":325,"target_proposition":326,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":88,"rationale":327},56,"39012","We've had an increase in operations and in the stock of subsidized credit operations.",341.66,347.34,"bad4c99b-a108-463c-9973-c3c61156ba2f","increase subsidized credit operations","Reports an increase in the stock of subsidized credit operations (data).",{"idx":329,"utterance_id":330,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":331,"start_s":332,"end_s":333,"word_count":31,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":325,"target_proposition":326,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":88,"rationale":334},57,"39013","It increased by about R$275 billion since last year, roughly 2% of GDP.",348.16,353.24,"Details the amount (R$275 billion) and its share of GDP (quantitative citation).",{"idx":336,"utterance_id":337,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":338,"start_s":339,"end_s":340,"word_count":85,"topic_slug":23,"topic_label":20,"target_id":341,"target_proposition":342,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":191,"rationale":343},58,"39014","The impact on aggregate demand should generate a boost of more or less 1% of GDP and the market's inflation expectation went from 4.1% to 5.3%.",354.76,364.34,"6f1e8a56-6d30-4803-bb51-0aeaee69782c","monitor impact of credit operations on inflation","Points to effects on aggregate demand and inflation expectations.",{"idx":345,"utterance_id":346,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":347,"start_s":348,"end_s":349,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":350,"target_proposition":351,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":352},59,"39015","So, Minister, we might experience in the next government, for the first time, a shutdown scenario, as Your Excellency described in the interview for Estadão.",365.42,375.5,"a9fc9c93-023e-4716-99a0-8c0a71275fa0","prevent collapse of public accounts","Warns of a fiscal 'shutdown' risk due to the collapse of public accounts.",{"idx":354,"utterance_id":355,"speaker_name":356,"text":357,"start_s":358,"end_s":359,"word_count":246,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":360,"target_proposition":361,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":362},66,"39022","Desconhecido","There are the primary resources provided for in the budget, approved by Congress, for which this year we are making a cut of R$23 billion, as I already said, complying with all fiscal rules.",413.96,421.88,"913be0ea-20a9-4884-a906-a3e66381953d","cut primary expenditures to comply with fiscal rules","Minister says he made a cut of R$23 billion to comply with fiscal rules.",{"idx":364,"utterance_id":365,"speaker_name":356,"text":366,"start_s":367,"end_s":368,"word_count":369,"topic_slug":172,"topic_label":173,"target_id":370,"target_proposition":371,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":297,"rationale":372},67,"39023","Different from primary resources, you have the financial resources.",422.56,424.24,9,"447ecce6-8615-4121-953b-b7070fd0a322","distinguish the nature of financial resources and primary resources in the budget","Explains the difference between primary resources and financial 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fiscal framework, that is true.",451.1,460.92,0.85,"Endorses the claim that 94% of new spending was outside the fiscal framework.",{"idx":45,"utterance_id":390,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":391,"start_s":392,"end_s":393,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":394,"target_proposition":395,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":119,"rationale":396},"39033","Our main criticism is that it was outside the fiscal rules.",471.22,474.86,"538f4b95-e08a-4baf-924c-eca72fe39575","comply with limits of the fiscal framework","Says the central criticism is that expenditures were made outside the fiscal rules.",{"idx":398,"utterance_id":399,"speaker_name":356,"text":400,"start_s":401,"end_s":402,"word_count":118,"topic_slug":172,"topic_label":173,"target_id":370,"target_proposition":371,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":88,"rationale":403},78,"39034","As for the spending limit, you are mixing what is a financial limit, for example the agribusiness discussion, which is financial resources.",475,480.44,"Minister explains that the financial and primary limits are different (clarification).",{"idx":405,"utterance_id":406,"speaker_name":356,"text":407,"start_s":408,"end_s":409,"word_count":118,"topic_slug":224,"topic_label":225,"target_id":410,"target_proposition":411,"stance":412,"stance_confidence":191,"rationale":413},80,"39036","In what Kim brought up, 'ah, but you are using financial resources to make spending above the framework limit.'",482.76,487.34,"7338198b-d287-46b2-adee-7c7b01d3e0a5","eliminate the secret budget and prevent use of amendments to buy parliamentary support","contra","Minister denies that financial resources are being used to spend beyond the fiscal framework.",{"idx":415,"utterance_id":416,"speaker_name":356,"text":417,"start_s":418,"end_s":419,"word_count":420,"topic_slug":172,"topic_label":173,"target_id":379,"target_proposition":380,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":165,"rationale":421},83,"39039","So it's important to distinguish, and even having distinct natures, the two expenditures, whether primary expenditure or financial expenditure, they enter the budget that is approved by Congress, therefore it is not true that Congress doesn't know or doesn't follow along.",491.8,502.24,43,"Says that both primary and financial expenditures are included in the budget approved by the National Congress.",{"idx":423,"utterance_id":424,"speaker_name":356,"text":425,"start_s":426,"end_s":427,"word_count":147,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":428},87,"39043","Indeed, we have to look at the trajectory of mandatory expenditure.",510.08,512.28,"Minister acknowledges the need to manage the trajectory of mandatory expenditures.",{"idx":55,"utterance_id":430,"speaker_name":356,"text":431,"start_s":432,"end_s":433,"word_count":210,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":119,"rationale":434},"39044","We have to take care that the trajectory of mandatory expenditure does not cut the space for discretionary expenditure, expenditure for investment that the country needs.",512.74,519.06,"Argues for preventing mandatory spending from crowding out discretionary investment.",{"idx":436,"utterance_id":437,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":438,"start_s":439,"end_s":440,"word_count":369,"topic_slug":314,"topic_label":315,"target_id":441,"target_proposition":442,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":77,"rationale":443},93,"39049","But what about the main question I raised?",528.4,531.42,"af5261ed-2c1e-45bb-b8ee-bf7313164188","require coherence between the Ministry of Finance's rhetoric and the government's political stance","Questions the Ministry's usefulness if the government does the opposite of what it preaches.",{"idx":445,"utterance_id":446,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":447,"start_s":448,"end_s":449,"word_count":215,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":450,"target_proposition":451,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":165,"rationale":452},95,"39051","saying it is against increasing mandatory expenditure while every bill that increases mandatory expenditure and the government's base votes unanimously in favor?",533.82,541.3,"29c57cad-a7a2-4a66-a616-327259f0d33a","attribute to the government responsibility for agendas that increase expenditures","Asks why the ministry claims to be against increases when the governing base votes in favor.",{"idx":454,"utterance_id":455,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":456,"start_s":457,"end_s":458,"word_count":276,"topic_slug":314,"topic_label":315,"target_id":459,"target_proposition":460,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":305,"rationale":461},96,"39052","He didn't have the courage, because he cannot have that courage, otherwise he loses his position, to say that what is correct is exactly what he has said in interviews, that mandatory expenditures are increasing.",541.56,552.48,"e328a9e7-8184-43b6-8881-2e89bef17ad5","assume political costs to defend fiscal responsibility","States that the minister lacked the courage to tell the truth for fear of losing his position.",{"idx":463,"utterance_id":464,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":465,"start_s":466,"end_s":467,"word_count":420,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":387,"rationale":468},97,"39053","and that the government's stance is irresponsible, that the government's stance is to blow the public accounts, the government's stance is to increase mandatory expenditures until we have zero investment, until we have zero possibilities for new",552.92,566.58,"Accuses the government of blowing up public finances and exhausting room for new policies.",{"idx":470,"utterance_id":471,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":472,"start_s":473,"end_s":474,"word_count":246,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":475,"target_proposition":476,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":77,"rationale":477},99,"39055","already existing policies, like Farmácia Popular is within the discretionary budget that will cease to exist, CAP, CNPq, the discretionary budget will cease to exist, federal public safety and environment policies.",568.38,579.02,"f8b9e6cb-11f2-440b-b8b9-31fb1940968c","preserve funding for discretionary programs such as Farmácia Popular and CAP\u002FCNPq","Warns that discretionary programs may cease to exist if mandatory spending grows.",{"idx":479,"utterance_id":480,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":481,"start_s":482,"end_s":483,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":314,"topic_label":315,"target_id":316,"target_proposition":317,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":119,"rationale":484},101,"39057","So the minister says he has a fiscal responsibility discourse, but the government's base goes in the absolutely opposite direction.",581.3,588.84,"Reaffirms that a serious fiscal discourse is impossible while the governing base votes against it.",{"idx":486,"utterance_id":487,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":488,"start_s":489,"end_s":490,"word_count":491,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":295,"target_proposition":296,"stance":412,"stance_confidence":88,"rationale":492},104,"39060","No, sorry, minister, but there is no commitment to fiscal responsibility.",600.1,603.8,11,"Accuses the government of lacking commitment to fiscal responsibility (critical stance).",{"idx":494,"utterance_id":495,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":496,"start_s":497,"end_s":498,"word_count":147,"topic_slug":499,"topic_label":500,"target_id":501,"target_proposition":502,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":191,"rationale":503},106,"39062","On the other hand, it increased taxation for revenue, but it did not cut mandatory spending.",607.42,613.3,"politica-tarifaria","Tariff Policy","aae17469-e1aa-4b4c-993a-b10f1bdc71c8","increase consumption taxes","States that the government raised taxation to increase revenue (factual description).",{"idx":27,"utterance_id":505,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":506,"start_s":507,"end_s":508,"word_count":509,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":510,"target_proposition":511,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":119,"rationale":512},"39063","It didn't worry about lowering interest rates, it didn't worry about giving credibility to the government itself to be able to... finance the government with cheaper credit, it didn't manage to promote the necessary cuts and didn't even try to promote the necessary cuts so that we could have fiscal balance.",613.64,629.12,46,"da49798d-62ee-4549-94f0-7ee4fd5ad98a","promote cuts in mandatory expenditures","Says the government did not attempt to implement the cuts needed for fiscal balance.",{"idx":514,"utterance_id":515,"speaker_name":356,"text":516,"start_s":517,"end_s":518,"word_count":283,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":519,"target_proposition":520,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":521,"rationale":522},109,"39065","So what we saw happen in recent years, before this government, what the 'tese do século', which was a defeat of the Temer government in the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), by 6 to 5 inclusive, caused in fiscal waivers for the country, was at least 700 billion.",632.8,643.36,"91620e50-6f5a-460b-b6f0-713d5bb19aba","correct flaws in the tax reform",0.66,"Minister describes the impact of an STF decision that generated tax waivers.",{"idx":524,"utterance_id":525,"speaker_name":356,"text":526,"start_s":527,"end_s":528,"word_count":300,"topic_slug":28,"topic_label":25,"target_id":529,"target_proposition":530,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":531},111,"39067","When in the previous government the former Minister of Finance, of the Economy, accepted a Fundeb at 23% without funding, without a source of resources, you go from a budget in which the previous government was putting 15 billion in Fundeb to a budget that we put this year in Fundeb for education of 70 billion.",649.94,663.92,"49278560-b9b4-4f29-8528-6b831415c440","finance Fundeb with a defined source of funds","Minister says he put R$70 billion into Fundeb with a funding source (a claim of action).",{"idx":533,"utterance_id":534,"speaker_name":356,"text":535,"start_s":536,"end_s":537,"word_count":107,"topic_slug":172,"topic_label":173,"target_id":538,"target_proposition":539,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":540,"rationale":541},113,"39069","We are using funds' resources, those I mentioned, from subsidies, from CMS, from BET, to pay the Fundeb bill, which is a mandatory expenditure generated by the previous government.",669.58,677.6,"d5bdf52e-53e8-4d53-963c-eb5d781b5176","use closed funds' resources to finance mandatory expenses like Fundeb",0.74,"Advocates using resources from closed funds to pay for Fundeb.",{"idx":543,"utterance_id":544,"speaker_name":356,"text":545,"start_s":546,"end_s":547,"word_count":37,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":548,"target_proposition":549,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":200,"rationale":550},114,"39070","It is important to correct deputy Kim's information: mandatory expenditures in general were created by the previous government.",677.64,683.12,"54c392fd-52dc-40ae-8cd4-bacf94638b8e","attribute the origin of mandatory expenditures to the previous government","A minister corrects the record, stating that mandatory expenditures were created earlier.",{"idx":552,"utterance_id":553,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":554,"start_s":555,"end_s":556,"word_count":491,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":412,"stance_confidence":128,"rationale":557},116,"39072","Mandatory expenditures were not, as a rule, created by the previous government.",684.22,687.14,"Denies that mandatory expenditures were generally created by the previous government (a rebuttal).",{"idx":559,"utterance_id":560,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":561,"start_s":562,"end_s":563,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":28,"topic_label":25,"target_id":564,"target_proposition":565,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":566,"rationale":567},119,"39075","They created the Fundeb issue, there was the PEC Kamikaze... all of PT voted in favor.",690,694.1,"4ae709ae-31e8-4a36-a482-488979185c2a","approve Fundeb with increased participation without a funding source",0.64,"Notes that PT voted in favor of Fundeb (a factual statement about the vote).",{"idx":569,"utterance_id":570,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":571,"start_s":572,"end_s":573,"word_count":73,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":574,"target_proposition":575,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":191,"rationale":576},121,"39077","There is no moral high ground for the Lula government to talk about Bolsonaro government's mandatory spending, because they also voted in favor of the Bolsonaro government's mandatory spending.",696.46,703.94,"f6de6762-6dfe-4e11-b80a-27b993cf8122","acknowledge the government's responsibility for measures that increased mandatory expenditures","States that the PT caucus voted in favor of the measures that increased spending.",{"idx":187,"utterance_id":578,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":579,"start_s":580,"end_s":581,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":74,"target_proposition":75,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":165,"rationale":582},"39078","But the majority of today's mandatory expenditures stem from constitutional earmarkings, from constitutional indexations that returned because of the Lula government, which strangled the budget because of the Lula government.",704.12,719.52,"Attributes most mandatory spending to constitutional earmarks reintroduced by the government.",{"idx":584,"utterance_id":585,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":586,"start_s":587,"end_s":588,"word_count":203,"topic_slug":224,"topic_label":225,"target_id":589,"target_proposition":590,"stance":76,"stance_confidence":110,"rationale":591},124,"39080","that the government made its expenditures complying with fiscal rules, going through the framework, because the majority did not pass and the government intentionally did not pass them.",722.1,730.24,"d6180129-c8e5-4f24-9b71-31972cf62202","comply with the fiscal framework and avoid expenditures outside the primary balance","Claims that most spending bypassed the framework because the government chose not to use it.",{"idx":593,"utterance_id":594,"speaker_name":68,"speaker_slug":69,"text":595,"start_s":596,"end_s":597,"word_count":96,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":598,"target_proposition":599,"stance":99,"stance_confidence":88,"rationale":600},126,"39082","But even if that were the case, all those that 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