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Jornalistas TENTARAM me pressionar e eu NÃO RECUEI. | Romeu Zema no UOL
308 classified statements · 1 politicians · March 31, 2026 · 36 min
Statements by Romeu Zema. 308 excerpts classified by topic and stance. Topics: Political Alliances, Presidential Elections, Judiciary / Anti-Corruption, Public Management.
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Desconhecido
0:00
We have with us right now on our UOL News the governor — he is now suspended, no longer in office, the former governor of Minas Gerais, Romeu Zema — but up to this moment I think we can call him a pre-candidate for the Presidency of the Republic. He is with us live here on our UOL News and I stand up here to welcome him.
Desconhecido
0:24
Hello, Governor, good morning, welcome to our program.
Romeu Zema
0:29
Good morning, Fabíola, good morning, Josias, Sakamoto, and to everyone who is following us.
Romeu Zema
0:35
A pleasure to be with you.
Desconhecido
0:37
Let's talk — yesterday we had Eduardo Leite here; we've been discussing the backrooms of politics, these days of negotiation.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
0:46
About: form a ticket with Flávio Bolsonaro
Do you remain firm in your desire to be a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic or are you perhaps thinking of running as vice on a ticket with Flávio Bolsonaro?
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Interviewer's question about accepting to be a running mate, with no defense offered.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
0:58
About: form a ticket with Flávio Bolsonaro
They even say that this was one of the wishes, it is one of the wishes of former president Jair Bolsonaro.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence Reports a desire attributed to a third party, without his own opinion.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
1:04
About: form a ticket with Flávio Bolsonaro
Would you accept being Flávio Bolsonaro's running mate in that race?
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Direct question to the governor about accepting the vice position.
Desconhecido
1:07
October?
Romeu Zema
1:09
About: decide to run for president in 2026
Fabíola, I am very honored, flattered that my name is always being mentioned; I often see some political leader in the news bringing it up. But I will carry it through to the end, also because I am a different kind of candidate — I had never held any political office until 2018, when I was first elected.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence Declares that he will 'levarei até o final' his pre-candidacy.
Romeu Zema
1:37
About: fight privileges and corruption in Brasília
And what I want is to put an end to this spree of the untouchables, to do what I did in Minas Gerais: fix what the PT ruined.
Why it was classified this way · 92% confidence States 'o que eu quero é acabar com essa farra dos intocáveis'.
Romeu Zema
1:49
About: fix and professionalize state public management and fight corruption
I took over a ruined state, a state with no credibility, and I handed, this past Sunday, to my successor a state that is standing on its feet.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Claims he took over a ruined state and left it standing.
Romeu Zema
2:02
About: implement policies to retain companies in the country and promote economic growth
A state that has even been growing above the Brazilian average, without corruption, without scandals.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Claims above-average growth without corruption as a result of his administration.
Romeu Zema
2:09
About: combat corruption and hold those involved accountable
Brazilians are tired; people today have no money, and the problem in Brazil is not that resources are lacking — the problem in Brazil today is that there are too many thieves and we need to change that.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence Declares that 'o problema é que está sobrando ladrão e precisamos mudar isso'.
Romeu Zema
2:24
About: present proposals different from other candidates
So these are different proposals.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Says that his 'são propostas diferentes' when commenting on electoral competition.
Romeu Zema
2:27
About: carry out responsible and transparent public management
And I showed that it is possible.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Says 'eu mostrei que é possível', defending his management model.
Romeu Zema
2:29
About: renounce privileges and perks of public office
And I am also very much in favor of a good shake-up.
Why it was classified this way · 86% confidence States he is 'muito favorável também a uma boa chacoalhada' in the administration.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
2:34
About: present proposals different from other candidates
When you talk about different proposals, are your proposals different from Flávio Bolsonaro's — is that why?
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Question about differences in proposals; the interviewer does not take a position.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
2:39
About: form a ticket with Flávio Bolsonaro
Do you think it is not possible to form that ticket?
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Interviewer's question about the possibility of forming a coalition, without endorsement.
Desconhecido
2:41
You said you are very flattered to have your name mentioned.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
2:45
About: form a ticket with Flávio Bolsonaro
But why would you not accept that pairing with Flávio Bolsonaro?
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Direct question about why he would not accept forming a ticket with Flávio, with no stance from the interviewer.
Romeu Zema
2:51
About: decide to run for president in 2026
Well, Fabíola, I met with Bolsonaro in August last year to inform him firsthand that I would be a pre-candidate.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Reports having informed the former president of his pre-candidacy.
Romeu Zema
3:01
About: have multiple right-wing candidates
Bolsonaro himself told me, "Zema, the more candidates the right has, the better."
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Reports Bolsonaro's opinion about multiple candidates on the right.
Romeu Zema
3:10
About: have multiple right-wing candidates
The more votes it will have, the stronger it becomes.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Continues the quote about the effect of multiple candidates on the right.
Romeu Zema
3:15
About: unite right-wing candidates in the second round against the left
And in the second round we will all be together.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence States explicitly 'no segundo turno nós estaremos todos juntos'.
Romeu Zema
3:19
About: reconcile own candidacy with support in the second round
So one thing does not prevent the other in any way.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Says that one candidacy does not prevent alignment in the second round.
Romeu Zema
3:23
About: have multiple right-wing candidates
That is his opinion, and one I share as well.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Says he agrees with the view that more right-wing candidacies help.
Romeu Zema
3:27
About: launch more right-wing candidates
The right has good names, well-regarded governors, and we will be showing Brazil what a responsible government is.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Says that the right will show 'o que é um governo responsável'.
Romeu Zema
3:38
About: unite right-wing candidates in the second round against the left
And in the second round, yes, we will be working together.
Why it was classified this way · 88% confidence Repeats that he will work together in the second round.
Desconhecido
3:44
Governor, given the current scenario, if we analyze the polls, there is a bloc of the electorate leaning toward Flávio Bolsonaro, another bloc leaning toward Lula, and there is a core of so-called independent voters who are oscillating between one and the other or even have decided not to vote.
Desconhecido
4:07
And you appear in those polls below double digits, around 2%, 3%?
Desconhecido
4:12
What makes you believe that?
Desconhecido
4:16
What makes you believe that, presenting yourself as a right-wing candidate with values very close to those advocated by Flávio Bolsonaro, you will grow?
Desconhecido
4:30
To grow, supposedly in the first round, you would need to differentiate yourself from the two poles, including from Flávio Bolsonaro — doesn't that seem so?
Romeu Zema
4:42
Oh Josias — first, each election is a totally different election.
Romeu Zema
4:49
My 2018 campaign was one thing; my 2022 re-election was in a different context.
Romeu Zema
4:56
And we are faced with a Pandora's box opened because of this Banco Master case, all this corruption.
Romeu Zema
5:06
And we are going to have unpredictable, totally uncertain events in the coming months.
Romeu Zema
5:16
And I always emphasize, Josias, that in 2018, in March, I was polling at 1% against whom?
Romeu Zema
5:26
Against Pimentel from PT and against Anastasia from PSDB.
Romeu Zema
5:32
I know that that election had distinct characteristics.
Romeu Zema
5:36
And as I went through Minas Gerais that year — I visited more than 200 cities by car — the people of Minas saw that there was a different proposal.
Romeu Zema
5:50
About: hold election campaign in streets and markets
And now, until October, I will be doing the same across Brazil.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence States that 'até outubro, estarei fazendo o mesmo pelo Brasil'.
Romeu Zema
5:55
I want to show Brazil what we did in Minas.
Romeu Zema
5:59
About: combat privileges and impunity in public administration
Even though the state of Minas has 300 thousand employees, I did not give a job to any of my relatives; none of my relatives has any privilege, contract, or closeness to the State and is benefiting from it.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Claims that he did not give jobs to relatives and did not grant privileges.
Romeu Zema
6:15
I want to show that it is possible to run a government without corruption, without scandal.
Romeu Zema
6:22
I believe in a State that was made to serve.
Romeu Zema
6:26
About: fix and professionalize state public management and fight corruption
And not the kind of State, like Brazil's, that is a master at creating privileges and distributing favors, as has been happening.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Criticizes the State that 'é mestre em criar privilégios, distribuir favores'.
Romeu Zema
6:34
About: promote administrative renewal with external managers
Brazil needs a shake-up; it needs someone from the outside.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence States that the country 'precisa de uma chacoalhada' and needs 'alguém de fora'.
Romeu Zema
6:39
About: hire external managers to restructure the public administration
A company in crisis always calls in an outsider to be able to do that.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Compares it to companies that bring in outsiders to restructure during a crisis.
Romeu Zema
6:46
Because usually those inside are so ingrained in the culture that they can't see the real problems.
Desconhecido
6:53
Governor, good morning.
Desconhecido
6:54
Thank you for being here on All News.
Desconhecido
6:56
We really appreciate it.
Desconhecido
6:57
Governor, to return to the topic, I'd like you to assess a bit the role of your vice, Matheus Simões, who is now likely to run for the government of Minas Gerais.
Desconhecido
7:08
He will remain in office when you leave and run.
Desconhecido
7:13
Do you think his name, as it appeared in those notes by Senator Flávio Bolsonaro in February that were revealed by Folha de São Paulo, the name Matheus Simões pulls down Flávio Bolsonaro's Bolsonarist candidacy, because that's what was written there?
Desconhecido
7:33
It pulls down, alongside Matheus Simões's name, and placing, if Matheus Simões were a candidate, Senator Cleitinho and Senator Rodrigo Pacheco.
Desconhecido
7:44
would also be.
Desconhecido
7:45
So, how do you assess the role to be played by Matheus Simões and whether he really pulls Flávio Bolsonaro down, as that note suggested?
Desconhecido
7:58
Well, Leonardo, opinions vary.
Desconhecido
8:00
Sacamoto, sorry.
Desconhecido
8:01
But he is Leonardo too.
Desconhecido
8:06
He is Leonardo, you didn't get it wrong.
Desconhecido
8:07
He is Leonardo Sacamoto.
Desconhecido
8:09
That's absolutely right, Governor.
Desconhecido
8:10
That's right, Governor.
Desconhecido
8:10
Thank you, anyway.
Romeu Zema
8:13
About: support Matheus Simões' candidacy for governor of Minas Gerais
But I was the big dark horse back in 2018, and Matheus Simões has qualities that those who have never worked closely with him, as I have, may not know.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Praises Matheus Simões, describing him as a capable right‑hand.
Romeu Zema
8:27
He was my right-hand man for more than six years leading the government of Minas.
Romeu Zema
8:34
First as secretary-general, then as vice-governor, a brilliant person.
Romeu Zema
8:42
He may still, Sakamoto, be unknown, be someone who speaks perhaps in a more technical way given his background, but he is now having his moment of visibility; he took over the government of Minas this past Sunday, as he showed me, he will be in more than 150 cities in the next 100 days, and that changes everything.
Romeu Zema
9:11
He knows the public machine like few others.
Romeu Zema
9:15
He is the person most aware of the hundreds of projects we currently have underway in Minas Gerais, the largest investments in history.
Romeu Zema
9:26
So, he will certainly have this opportunity and it will be up to the people of Minas to analyze.
Romeu Zema
9:34
I respect Rodrigo Pacheco, I respect Senator Cleitinho and I'm even glad that Minas has good candidates, good names, which, in a way, constitute insurance against the catastrophe of the PT.
Romeu Zema
9:49
About: prevent use of government positions to co-opt mayors and affiliates
I'm sure none of them will commit the crimes, will do what happened between 2015 and 2018 in Minas Gerais, when the State was literally ruined by the PT.
Why it was classified this way · 86% confidence Assures that none of the good candidates will commit the crimes of the past.
Desconhecido
10:04
Governor, there are several questions coming in from our audience.
Desconhecido
10:07
I also like to note that those watching us live, Cláudio sent a message and others also spoke about this.
Desconhecido
10:14
which I think is a subject you have already spoken about in Minas Gerais, regarding the increase of your own salary by about 300%.
Desconhecido
10:22
You who just spoke about the issue of corruption, this is not corruption, it's a salary increase — we're not talking about corruption, but about these benefits.
Desconhecido
10:33
And some people question, Zema, who is from Novo, who has always spoken about a leaner State and so on — how do you explain this increase?
Desconhecido
10:42
Is this a problem for you?
Desconhecido
10:43
Do you regret having done this?
Romeu Zema
10:47
About: adjust salaries of state public positions
Fabíola, not at all.
Why it was classified this way · 88% confidence Defends the salary increase as a 'correção necessária' and does not regret it.
Romeu Zema
10:50
We made a correction here that was necessary.
Romeu Zema
10:55
About: donate part of public office salaries to charities
First, it must be clear: for me the increase made no difference, since my entire salary from the beginning is donated, usually to the APAES, several here in Minas.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Says he donates his entire salary to APAES, not putting anything in his pocket.
Romeu Zema
11:08
They have already received amounts from this sum that I receive monthly.
Romeu Zema
11:14
So, I didn't put anything in my pocket.
Romeu Zema
11:16
Thank God, my life is taken care of.
Romeu Zema
11:19
About: eliminate excessive salaries from the public service
Second, back then, around 2005, we had huge populism in Minas Gerais when the governor at the time cut his salary and all the secretaries' salaries in half.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Criticizes the practice of lowering salaries and paying jetons to mask compensation.
Romeu Zema
11:37
But it was just for show — everyone received jetons, both in the PSDB government and later in PT governor Pimentel's government.
Romeu Zema
11:51
I like to show what is happening rather than creating mechanisms that people have difficulty seeing.
Romeu Zema
12:01
So I had the courage to say that today the Secretary of Education and Secretary of Health of Minas earn the same as those in other states.
Romeu Zema
12:12
And not keep paying a pittance, less than a municipal secretary of a small town, which is what used to happen in Minas Gerais, and creating jetons, boards of directors for these secretaries.
Romeu Zema
12:27
It was a trick to deceive the people of Minas.
Romeu Zema
12:31
I don't like tricks; I like to be transparent.
Romeu Zema
12:34
About: increase transparency of public administration
That's why Minas rose from 22nd place in transparency to first in Brazil.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Attributes the change to Minas rising to first place in transparency.
Romeu Zema
12:41
I think I'm right.
Romeu Zema
12:42
Now it seems that Brazilians like being deceived, which I do not.
Romeu Zema
12:47
So that's my line of action.
Desconhecido
12:51
Governor, within this line of transparency of yours, I infer from your statements
Desconhecido
12:58
that you are making a reading of the political conjuncture.
Desconhecido
13:02
Are you assessing, from what can be inferred from your statements, that the 2026 campaign will be more similar to 2018, when there was a corruption component, than to 2022, when the democratic factor was highly valued?
Desconhecido
13:23
So I'd like to press my question: in this situation, with the reading you make of the conjuncture, how will you differentiate yourself from Flávio Bolsonaro?
Desconhecido
13:37
Because to grow, in the first round, for example, you need to show yourself as different from the two poles.
Desconhecido
13:44
How will you show yourself as different?
Desconhecido
13:46
Everyone knows you are different from Lula.
Desconhecido
13:48
You are already highlighting that difference here during the interview.
Desconhecido
13:53
Anti-PT sentiment.
Desconhecido
13:55
How will you make yourself different from Flávio Bolsonaro?
Desconhecido
13:58
Because being just another Bolsonarist, perhaps the voter would prefer the original, don't you think?
Romeu Zema
14:06
Oh Josias, you're absolutely right.
Romeu Zema
14:09
Right-wing candidates or left-wing candidates will always have more similarity with one another.
Romeu Zema
14:19
But I respect Flávio, I like him.
Romeu Zema
14:24
I stood alongside his father; it will be up to Brazilians to judge.
Romeu Zema
14:30
About: elect a right-wing government
What I want is for the right to win this election.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence Explicitly declares 'o que eu quero é que a direita ganhe essa eleição'.
Romeu Zema
14:34
If I win, I will contribute to Brazil; if some other right-wing candidate wins, they will also contribute to Brazil.
Romeu Zema
14:44
Now, this issue doesn't worry me that much.
Romeu Zema
14:47
About: fix and professionalize state public management and fight corruption
What I have, unlike the other candidates, is that I come from the private sector; I worked hard my whole life, I drove more than 2 million kilometers to establish the company in 470 cities in Minas Gerais.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Says 'o Estado foi feito para servir e não para distribuir favores'.
Romeu Zema
15:07
And I'm in politics to serve.
Romeu Zema
15:10
We need to remember — politicians often forget — that the State was made to serve, not to distribute favors and enrich some people.
Romeu Zema
15:22
On this point, I think I am quite different from the great majority.
Romeu Zema
15:27
About: fill public positions primarily through public competitive exams
I say that people who have a vocation should go into politics or take public service exams.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Argues that those with a vocation should take civil service exams.
Romeu Zema
15:33
What we're witnessing in Brazil is people who go into it to take advantage and put money in their pockets.
Romeu Zema
15:42
Is that wrong?
Romeu Zema
15:44
It is wrong.
Romeu Zema
15:44
About: encourage entrepreneurship and company creation as an alternative to public-sector jobs for wealth creation
If you want to put money in your pocket, go start a business.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Advises that those who want to earn money should start a business rather than join the state.
Romeu Zema
15:47
Open a company; go work hard.
Romeu Zema
15:50
Now there are people who enter the State and spend their whole lives complaining they're earning little.
Romeu Zema
15:57
If he is so brilliant, so competent, open a law firm, start a company and show he is good.
Romeu Zema
16:07
But the State was made to serve.
Romeu Zema
16:10
In Brazil we have a wealthy State.
Desconhecido
16:15
Governor, it's interesting what you're saying, which José was asking you about — the difference.
Desconhecido
16:20
Do you think this is a point of difference with the Bolsonaro family, for example, which is a family raised in politics, right?
Desconhecido
16:25
At this moment, indeed, the sons are also running.
Desconhecido
16:28
And you even say, I donate my salary in full to NGOs.
Desconhecido
16:33
You are not a product of politics.
Desconhecido
16:36
Is that the point that differentiates you from the Bolsonaro family, for example?
Romeu Zema
16:42
About: improve state public safety
Oh, I have a lot, Fabiola.
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence Says 'quando a direita governa, a segurança pública vai melhor'.
Romeu Zema
16:44
in common with the right.
Romeu Zema
16:46
When the right governs, we don't have corruption.
Romeu Zema
16:50
When the right governs, public security improves.
Romeu Zema
16:54
So we have a lot in common.
Romeu Zema
16:58
Now, I'm different... generally speaking, it's the political class as a whole, both left and right, because of the way I think.
Romeu Zema
17:08
About: reduce the tax burden on workers
I've paid too much tax in my life.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Says 'o brasileiro está cansado de pagar imposto' and criticizes high taxation.
Romeu Zema
17:10
Brazilians are tired of paying taxes and I think you are too.
Romeu Zema
17:15
You want more taxes and more privilege for politicians.
Romeu Zema
17:19
I don't want that.
Romeu Zema
17:20
On that point, I will be very consistent with this stance of mine.
Romeu Zema
17:25
Enough with taxes.
Desconhecido
17:26
What is your relationship with Caiado at this moment, governor?
Desconhecido
17:32
Sorry, Josias, I was going to follow up on that but I ended up saying something else; I wanted to ask about Caiado whether there's any possibility of an alliance so that this third way could emerge.
Desconhecido
17:45
I don't know whether you also consider yourself on the path you're offering.
Desconhecido
17:50
Do you have any kind of negotiation that could happen with Governor Caiado or not?
Romeu Zema
17:57
About: seek alliance with right-wing governors
Fabíola, I've always gotten along very well with right-wing governors — Caiado, Ratinho, Tarcísio, Jorginho — we've always walked side by side and I see that Caiado is a good option, a well-rated governor.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Declares good relations with Caiado and other right-wing governors.
Romeu Zema
18:19
Now, everyone always says, 'I serve; someone can make use of me as well' — do you agree?
Romeu Zema
18:26
Minas Gerais is a state that, in terms of population, is larger than Paraná, larger than Goiás.
Romeu Zema
18:33
So, that has to be clear.
Desconhecido
18:34
Who would you like to be your running mate?
Desconhecido
18:37
You said something like, 'ah, he could be my running mate too.'
Desconhecido
18:39
Who did you want to be your running mate?
Romeu Zema
18:41
About: nominate a woman as vice-presidential candidate
Look, I don't have that name yet, it's too early.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Explicitly declares a preference to choose a woman as running mate.
Romeu Zema
18:46
Preferably, I would like it to be a woman.
Romeu Zema
18:50
About: promote gender equality in politics
I was the governor of Minas who appointed the most women to the Court of Justice, who had the most women in leadership positions, and female participation in Brazilian politics will greatly inhibit corruption, because I see that women are more honest than men.
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence Argues that greater female participation will deter corruption.
Desconhecido
19:10
Governor, you have been... Well, the 'Minas formula' of your administration: you've talked a lot about austerity, you've talked a lot about privatization, about reducing the size of the State in its activities.
Desconhecido
19:23
But Brazil — and this applies to Minas — has very large regional, social and economic disparities.
Desconhecido
19:30
You have the South-Southeast in relation, for example, to the North-Northeast.
Desconhecido
19:35
How do you intend to face... these regional realities once you're president, without the strength, without the State's action to try to make this compensation through public policies?
Romeu Zema
19:52
Well, Sakamoto, I lived this problem in Minas; Minas Gerais has in the northern region of the State an area that is extremely similar to the Northeast.
Romeu Zema
20:05
I think no governor in Brazil... is able to face something similar to what one who governs Minas faces.
Romeu Zema
20:13
In Minas we have a part that is like São Paulo, a part that resembles Rio, and a part that resembles the Northeast.
Romeu Zema
20:23
And believe it or not, in my re-election I was the winner in all of them.
Romeu Zema
20:29
Even in the northern part of the state, which resembles the Northeast — a little less voted for me, but still with a very expressive margin.
Romeu Zema
20:39
Which demonstrates that we were able to carry out an administration that served everyone.
Romeu Zema
20:45
About: promote public and private investment in less developed regions
The north of Minas received large investments, both private — companies that established themselves there — and public.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Cites investments in northern Minas and bridge construction as examples.
Romeu Zema
20:55
After more than 20 years, we are building there two bridges over the São Francisco River.
Romeu Zema
21:01
The leftist PT promised and delivered nothing there.
Romeu Zema
21:05
I'm delivering two bridges there.
Romeu Zema
21:08
The vice-governor, now the new governor, Matheus Simões, will be inaugurating the first of them this year and the other one next year.
Desconhecido
21:17
Governor, no, but I'm... Sorry to interrupt you, but I understand what you're trying to say, but the question... All right, you're speaking with regard to Minas, but as a candidate, a pre-candidate for the Presidency of the Republic, that's why I asked this question.
Desconhecido
21:30
But how... How do you intend to bring the same thing, this same inducement of development to certain areas of the North and Northeast?
Desconhecido
21:38
Which, of course, you know well; I'm not saying that's what you're saying.
Desconhecido
21:41
This doesn't boil down to building bridges; it doesn't boil down to that part of road infrastructure.
Desconhecido
21:45
But how do you intend to carry this out, to do this, in a situation where, of course, we have private investment, but historically there exists a role of the State to induce local development?
Romeu Zema
22:02
Well, Sakamoto, there is no magic formula to do this in the short term, no screw you tighten that solves everything.
Romeu Zema
22:13
About: require conditions and training for Bolsa Família beneficiaries
But what I see is a fiscally responsible government, one that ends this spree of the untouchables, that directs public resources appropriately to social spending. I will want to greatly improve Bolsa Família.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence States 'vou querer aprimorar em muito o Bolsa Família' and intends to condition benefits.
Romeu Zema
22:32
Today we have grown men of 20, 25 years, who spend all day playing video games at home, receiving Bolsa Família.
Romeu Zema
22:42
That person, in my administration, will have to study, show that they are taking a course, are getting qualified.
Romeu Zema
22:50
About: maintain and expand social benefits conditioned on school attendance
And those who are mothers, those who have children... will continue receiving, in my opinion, even more, and show that the child is in school.
Why it was classified this way · 95% confidence Explicitly states that mothers will continue receiving and 'até mais' if the child is in school.
Romeu Zema
22:59
About: maintain and expand social benefits conditioned on school attendance
I travel a lot through the interior of Minas; there's a teacher complaining to me, 'look, mothers aren't taking their children to school, they come here begging, because if there isn't a document from the school, they will stop receiving.'
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Reports teachers' complaint about cuts due to missing school documents.
Romeu Zema
23:14
About: target social benefits to those who truly need them
I want those who need it to receive it, but to be guided
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence Says 'eu quero que quem precise receba', supporting targeting.
Romeu Zema
23:19
About: apply rules for granting social benefits
in accordance with what is stipulated.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Advocates complying with 'o que está previsto' in the program's rules.
Romeu Zema
23:21
About: condition social benefits on school attendance
Child in school, child vaccinated.
Why it was classified this way · 92% confidence Summarizes conditionality with the slogan 'Filho na escola'.
Romeu Zema
23:24
About: require conditions and training for Bolsa Família beneficiaries
And now the grown man will have to perform voluntary service for the city hall, help in a daycare center, help in a nursing home, help with public cleaning.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence proposes that beneficiaries be required to perform services for the city government.
Romeu Zema
23:36
About: offer professional training programs for beneficiaries of social programs
He will, in addition, be getting qualified.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence states that the beneficiary 'vai... estar se qualificando' with the measure.
Romeu Zema
23:38
About: reform Bolsa Família to make it temporary and tied to productive insertion
In Brazil, we are creating a culture of dependency.
Why it was classified this way · 88% confidence criticizes 'cultura da dependência', implying promotion of autonomy.
Romeu Zema
23:42
About: reform Bolsa Família to make it temporary and tied to productive insertion
The person is healthy, young and lives off this state aid and only does odd jobs.
Why it was classified this way · 88% confidence criticizes able beneficiaries who 'ficam vivendo desse auxílio', supporting reduction.
Romeu Zema
23:49
About: promote professional qualification and formalization of informal workers
And those who do odd jobs from time to time, wash cars, work as laborers, do not become qualified.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence notes that workers who do odd jobs 'não se qualificam'.
Romeu Zema
23:56
About: encourage formalization of employment through rewards to formally employed workers
I also want to create an award for those who have a formal employment contract.
Why it was classified this way · 95% confidence proposes creating 'um prêmio para quem tiver a carteira de trabalho assinada'.
Romeu Zema
24:02
About: encourage formalization of employment through rewards to formally employed workers
Left Bolsa Família, entered the formal labor market, a prize will be given.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence explains that those who left Bolsa and entered formal work will receive a reward.
- Against
Desconhecido
24:09
About: encourage formalization of employment through rewards to formally employed workers
But Governor, isn't that a bit simplistic, for example, you're saying now, 'I want to see the work card signed.'
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence criticizes the proposal, calling it 'muito simplista' and asks for details.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
24:14
About: encourage formalization of employment through rewards to formally employed workers
We know today, the labor market as it is, the Uber driver doesn't have a signed work card, the guy who delivers iFood doesn't have a signed work card.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence points out that many platform workers lack formal employment contracts.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
24:22
About: promote professional qualification and formalization of informal workers
Often the house cleaner doesn't have a signed work card because she cleans several houses.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence reports that day laborers often do not have formal contracts due to their work patterns.
- Against
Desconhecido
24:28
About: encourage formalization of employment through rewards to formally employed workers
Isn't it simplistic to say that?
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence asks rhetorically 'Não é simplista?', opposing the proposed solution.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
24:29
About: cut improper social benefits (BPC and Bolsa Família)
And when you say, for example, that you want to improve Bolsa Família by removing people who shouldn't be receiving it, do you have data about that?
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence asks if there are data on removing ineligible people from Bolsa Família.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
24:38
About: cut improper social benefits (BPC and Bolsa Família)
Who are these people who are improperly taking advantage of Bolsa Família?
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence questions who the people would be that are 'aproveitando' improperly.
Romeu Zema
24:46
About: cut improper social benefits (BPC and Bolsa Família)
Fabíola, yes I do, because during my seven years as governor I visited more than 430 cities, including towns with one or two thousand inhabitants.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence says he has data from his visits, supporting the proposal to improve.
Romeu Zema
25:00
About: cut improper social benefits (BPC and Bolsa Família)
I talk on the street with a small rural producer, I talk on the street with a merchant.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence cites conversations with producers and merchants as supporting evidence.
Romeu Zema
25:07
About: cut improper social benefits (BPC and Bolsa Família)
And they all tell me this.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence says that 'todos me alegam isso', reinforcing the position.
Romeu Zema
25:09
About: improve statistics on beneficiaries of social programs
I think that statistics in Brazil are sometimes flawed.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence states that the statistics 'às vezes... estão falhas', without a direct proposal.
Romeu Zema
25:13
About: improve statistics on beneficiaries of social programs
They become very theoretical, focused on large centers, and I directly follow the productive sector.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence criticizes the focus of statistics on large centers, describing the problem.
Romeu Zema
25:22
About: encourage policies that facilitate local hiring and labor supply
Today we have people who have job offers — supermarket cashier — who don't want to go because they would have to work from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m.
Why it was classified this way · 60% confidence reports that there are job offers that some people do not accept.
Romeu Zema
25:36
About: encourage policies that facilitate local hiring and labor supply
And many people think this is a great sacrifice today in Brazil.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence states that many see formal work as 'grande sacrifício'.
Romeu Zema
25:41
About: change work culture to value formal employment and qualifications
So we have to change this concept a bit.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence explicitly says 'nós temos de mudar esse conceito'.
Romeu Zema
25:44
About: value and support individual microentrepreneurs (MEI)
I have nothing against someone wanting to be an Uber driver, who is an MEI.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence praises app drivers and micro-entrepreneurs registered as MEI.
Romeu Zema
25:48
About: value and support individual microentrepreneurs (MEI)
Kudos to these micro-entrepreneurs who are hustling and carrying Brazil on their backs.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence congratulates micro-entrepreneurs on their work.
Romeu Zema
25:55
About: promote policies that expand economic opportunities for youth
So we have to remove this burden from society, end this vicious circle in which people don't become qualified.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence proposes 'retirar esse peso' and 'acabar com esse círculo vicioso' through training.
Romeu Zema
26:06
About: improve training and retention of a qualified workforce
They are learning to live improvisationally, in low-skilled jobs.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence observes that people work in low-skilled jobs.
Romeu Zema
26:12
About: modernize labor legislation and work regulation
Our CLT dates from 1940.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence points out that the CLT dates from 1940, indicating obsolescence.
Romeu Zema
26:15
About: modernize labor legislation and work regulation
Brazil hasn't modernized in these last 90 years.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence claims that Brazil has not modernized and indicates a need for change.
Romeu Zema
26:19
About: modernize labor legislation and work regulation
We're still operating with what worked in the last century.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence comments that the current rules worked in the last century.
Romeu Zema
26:24
About: introduce new types of employment contracts
We need a CNT2, to have options as well in the labor market.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence defends 'ter opções também no mercado de trabalho' (CNT2).
Romeu Zema
26:29
About: modernize labor regulation
So, I am in favor of a change in labor regulation.
Why it was classified this way · 95% confidence states explicitly 'eu sou favorável a uma mudança na regulação do trabalho'.
Romeu Zema
26:33
About: preserve the changes from the 2017/2018 labor reform
Our 2018 labor reform, which Temer implemented, the '17, was already completely undone by the left.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence criticizes that the 2018 reform 'foi totalmente desfeita', arguing it should be preserved.
Desconhecido
26:43
Governor, the voter in Minas Gerais had a dichotomous behavior in 2022.
Desconhecido
26:50
They re-elected you and, at the same time, gave a victory to Lula.
Desconhecido
26:55
Lula had more votes in Minas Gerais than Bolsonaro.
Desconhecido
26:58
Now Lula is preparing his platform alongside Rodrigo Pacheco.
Desconhecido
27:05
Rodrigo Pacheco is rehearsing a migration to the PSB and is expected to run for the governorship of Minas Gerais.
Desconhecido
27:12
Do you think Lula will win again in Minas Gerais?
Desconhecido
27:15
What strategy will you adopt to prevent... the President of the Republic, a candidate for re-election, from prevailing in your state?
Desconhecido
27:23
They say that whoever wins in Minas wins in Brazil, do you believe that?
Romeu Zema
27:30
Josias, first, in 2022, in my re-election, I had more votes than Lula in Minas; there were indeed many people who voted for me and for him, which shows that the Brazilian doesn't have such an ideological vote, he goes much by personal sympathy, something along those lines.
Romeu Zema
27:52
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
But what we are witnessing at this moment is a government, a leftist president, completely silent regarding the greatest corruption scandal in history, which will probably be proven to be Banco Master — they are silent, omissive, why?
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence criticizes the government's silence and demands an inquiry into the alleged scandal.
Romeu Zema
28:14
Could there be something that bothers them?
Romeu Zema
28:17
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
I have even been, without a doubt — and here I differ from other politicians — the one who has most criticized, the one who most wants investigation into these facts.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence says they are the one who has criticized the most and wants an inquiry into the facts.
Romeu Zema
28:29
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
I'm not compromised; I can always be pushing for it, that's what I want.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence declares they do not have 'rabo preso' and can seek an inquiry.
Romeu Zema
28:34
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
Moreover, we from Partido Novo — me, the deputies... — are the ones who have most sounded the alarm regarding this absurdity.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence states that their party has publicly denounced the case.
Romeu Zema
28:42
And congratulations to you in the media as well, who have given full coverage.
Romeu Zema
28:48
About: investigate and punish multibillion-dollar corruption
So, Brazil cannot remain silent.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence says 'o Brasil não pode se calar', calling for investigation and denunciation.
Romeu Zema
28:51
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
Today we have a president who is quiet, ministers who are quiet.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence criticizes the silence of the president and ministers, calling for investigation.
Romeu Zema
28:56
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
The Master case — the fraud involving the elderly — must be investigated, and there are people from the left involved, close to the president.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence states that 'precisam ser apurados' and points to political involvement.
Desconhecido
29:07
In that respect, governor, you are very right when you emphasize the multi-party character of the Master scandal.
Desconhecido
29:17
A few days ago, President Lula, who had indeed been somewhat quiet, said that the Banco Master case he described as Bolsonaro's, Campos Neto's 'serpent's egg,' which will not leave his government a stone standing — words of the president.
Desconhecido
29:36
And he characterizes the scandal as a problem that comes from Roberto Campos Neto's management, and in fact the intervention in the bank, the liquidation of Banco Master, was carried out now under the management of Gabriel Galípolo.
Desconhecido
29:52
And it is also striking — I don't know if you have noticed this too — the silence of Flávio Bolsonaro, unlike Lula who has been talking about the 'serpent's egg' and such.
Desconhecido
30:05
Flávio Bolsonaro doesn't say a word.
Desconhecido
30:07
Don't you find the positions of both sides uncomfortable?
Desconhecido
30:12
Don't you think the scandal is multi‑party and that Bolsonarism is also very silent regarding this case?
Romeu Zema
30:21
Rosias, you are absolutely right.
Romeu Zema
30:24
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
As I said, I think that I and the Novo caucus are the ones who have spoken the most, and I will not be silent regarding this scandal.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence repeats that they will not be silenced and supports investigations into the case.
Romeu Zema
30:36
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
From what I know, and as I've been following it, Josias, this originated in Bahia.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence says they followed that the case 'foi gerado na Bahia', a factual account.
Romeu Zema
30:44
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
The Banco Master operation started there by paying food baskets, some program with the PT government that provided the opening.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence links the operation to payments for basic food baskets and a local program.
Romeu Zema
30:55
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
To me, Josias, it must be very clear: the investigations must advance and whoever it may be must be held accountable.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence asks that 'as apurações têm de avançar' and calls for accountability.
Romeu Zema
31:05
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
From the left, from the center, from the right.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence demands accountability 'de esquerda, de centro, de direita'.
Romeu Zema
31:08
Brazil does not exist to serve any ideology.
Romeu Zema
31:11
Brazil exists to serve Brazilians — those who get up early and work hard.
Romeu Zema
31:16
About: guarantee investigation and accountability of authorities without exception
And we are seeing a caste of untouchables wanting this process not to move forward.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence states that there are 'intocáveis' preventing the progress of investigations.
Romeu Zema
31:23
About: reduce inequality and improve workers' incomes
We have a wealthy government and a poor people in Brazil who are tired.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence notes 'governo rico e um povo pobre', describing inequality.
Romeu Zema
31:29
About: reduce inequality and improve workers' incomes
Who don't have the money to pay the bills at the end of the month.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence reports that people 'não têm dinheiro para pagar as contas'.
Romeu Zema
31:32
About: investigate and hold accountable those involved in the Banco Master scandal
So, I am totally in favor of investigations.
Why it was classified this way · 95% confidence says explicitly 'sou totalmente favorável às investigações'.
Romeu Zema
31:36
About: encourage public reporting of irregularities by politicians and parties
And I regret that the political class is not questioning, not speaking out, not raising the alarm, as I and the Novo deputies do.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence regrets that the political class is not denouncing, and praises those who do.
Romeu Zema
31:46
On this point, Novo is by far the number one party in Brazil.
Romeu Zema
31:51
We are not compromised; we do the right thing.
Romeu Zema
31:53
About: denounce and combat corruption systematically
And that is what will improve Brazil: doing the right thing and being able to denounce the wrong.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence states that 'fazer o certo e poder denunciar o errado' will improve Brazil.
Romeu Zema
31:59
About: denounce and combat corruption systematically
Whoever is not denouncing is, in my view, very wrong.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence criticizes those who don't denounce, advocating action against irregularities.
Desconhecido
32:05
Finally, Governor, we are getting near the end of our conversation, but you said at one point that right‑wing governments do not have corruption.
Desconhecido
32:15
During the administration of then‑President Bolsonaro we had the creation of the secret budget.
Desconhecido
32:24
This resulted in rampant corruption.
Desconhecido
32:28
Today there is a... a thief installed within the Republic's budget, the money leaks through this thief, there are more than eighty inquiries underway in the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), and you present yourself here in our interview as an outsider, although you have two terms as governor of Minas Gerais, you present yourself as an outsider.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
32:52
About: cut mandatory parliamentary amendments and the secret budget
Don't you think this perversion of the budget, which was amplified by the secret budget during Bolsonaro's administration, needs to end?
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence asks whether the perversion of the budget needs to end, without taking a stance.
Desconhecido
33:01
And how will you govern being a member of a tiny party, which is Novo?
Desconhecido
33:09
How will you relate to Congress without the secret budget, without amendments, without the thievery that has installed itself in the budget?
Romeu Zema
33:21
About: promote reforms in Congress to reduce permissiveness and corruption
Josias, we need to give Brazil, the Congress, a good shake‑up.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence says that 'precisamos dar uma boa chacoalhada no Brasil, no Congresso'.
Romeu Zema
33:29
About: end 'mamata' practices in government
In Minas Gerais, Josias, during my first term I did, yes, initially have difficulties with the Legislative Assembly, but I have a mission to change this culture of permissiveness.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence declares a mission to 'mudar essa cultura de permissividade' in the Assembly.
Romeu Zema
33:45
About: coordinate with legislators to implement changes and reduce clientelism
I will talk, I will show that we need to take another path, that some interests will be opposed, and as you gain credibility... you gain traction and strength to make these changes.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence proposes talking and gaining credibility to make changes.
Romeu Zema
34:02
In my second term in Minas Gerais, when the results were already visible and well perceived, guess if there was any deputy who wanted to stay away from me?
Romeu Zema
34:14
The majority wanted to be close.
Romeu Zema
34:16
About: govern without buying parliamentary support (no clientelism)
And I favor them without buying them off, which is the practice in Brazil.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence says they favor deputies without 'comprá‑los', criticizing the usual practice.
Romeu Zema
34:22
Those deputies from Minas who walked with me, and there were many, I went to their cities, held various events with them.
Romeu Zema
34:32
About: govern without buying parliamentary support (no clientelism)
My way of doing politics is straightforward; it's a way of working very hard and not of calling someone into an office and saying, 'Vote with me and I'll give you so much.'
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence supports a way of doing politics without exchanging favors for votes.
Romeu Zema
34:43
About: govern without buying parliamentary support (no clientelism)
That did not happen in my government.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence claims that this practice 'não aconteceu no meu governo' as a point of praise.
Romeu Zema
34:45
About: resume governing without clientelism and vote-buying
So I want to return with this politics, which is healthy politics, which is the politics that will make Brazil move forward again.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence says they want to 'voltar com essa política' as a healthy course.
Romeu Zema
34:56
Easy?
Romeu Zema
34:57
No.
Romeu Zema
34:58
Impossible?
Romeu Zema
34:59
Not at all.
Romeu Zema
35:00
Will it happen from one month to the next?
Romeu Zema
35:02
No.
Romeu Zema
35:03
About: promote political and administrative reforms to reduce permissiveness
But we will move in that direction.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence states 'vamos caminhar nesse sentido', referring to political changes.
Romeu Zema
35:06
About: improve state public management
Minas today is much better in every respect, including ethically.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence argues that Minas improved 'inclusive no ético', claiming credit for management.
Romeu Zema
35:12
Talk to the mayors of Minas and you will notice that.
Romeu Zema
35:17
About: promote partnership between state government and mayors without coercion
Before they were persecuted, they were pressured, and today they have a government that is a partner.
Why it was classified this way · 72% confidence states that mayors today have 'um governo que é parceiro', praising the model.
Romeu Zema
35:24
About: change the current mindset in Brazilian politics
So we have to change this mental model that came to prevail in politics in Brazil and was heavily fostered by the left.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence says it is necessary to 'mudar esse modelo mental' fostered by the left.
Romeu Zema
35:33
Does the right have problems?
Romeu Zema
35:34
Yes.
Romeu Zema
35:35
About: investigate and remedy irregularities and political scandals
They need to be investigated and they need to be fixed.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence states that problems 'tem de ser apurado e tem de ser sanado'.
Romeu Zema
35:38
But we know that... All of the most serious things happened on the left.
Romeu Zema
35:43
Petrolão, Lava Jato, Mensalão, etc.
Romeu Zema
35:47
On the right we had problems, to a lesser extent.
Desconhecido
35:50
Governor Romeu Zema, thank you very much for being here on UOL talking with our audience.
Desconhecido
35:55
Until next time.
Romeu Zema
35:58
Until next time.
Romeu Zema
35:59
It was a pleasure — good morning to you.
Romeu Zema
36:01
Big hug.
Desconhecido
36:02
A hug, Governor.
Desconhecido
36:03
Thank you.
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