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¿sabes?",460.2,467.36,{"idx":620,"utterance_id":621,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":622,"start_s":623,"end_s":624,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},76,"17296","Vives más, llegas a vivir como un gitano, cada noche en un lugar.",467.4,472.4,{"idx":626,"utterance_id":627,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":628,"start_s":629,"end_s":630,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},77,"17297","Porque en mi campaña de 2018, fui a más de 200 ciudades.",472.94,479.2,{"idx":632,"utterance_id":633,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":634,"start_s":635,"end_s":636,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},78,"17298","En una campaña, más de 200, recorrí solo en mi coche, sin considerar vuelos y coches de terceros que a veces utilicé, más de 70.000 kilómetros.",480.74,491.56,{"idx":638,"utterance_id":639,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":640,"start_s":641,"end_s":642,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},79,"17299","Así que es una 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situación.",608.3,610.54,{"idx":889,"utterance_id":890,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":891,"start_s":892,"end_s":893,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},121,"17341","El comercio electrónico llegó con mucha fuerza, la morosidad está alta, los intereses están altos.",610.94,617.82,{"idx":895,"utterance_id":896,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":897,"start_s":898,"end_s":899,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},122,"17342","El consumidor cambió mucho, aparecieron Betis y otros competidores que nunca habían existido.",618.64,625.44,{"idx":901,"utterance_id":902,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":903,"start_s":904,"end_s":905,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},123,"17343","Entonces, el comercio minorista tradicional, que es nuestro caso allá, ha sufrido bastante.",626.02,632.72,{"idx":907,"utterance_id":908,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":909,"start_s":910,"end_s":911,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":912,"target_proposition":913,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":916,"indexable":917},124,"17344","Pero ayuda mucho, porque siempre he percibido, Bruno y Malu, que necesitas, antes que nada, montar un buen equipo.",632.92,642.4,"cc2f1dba-fadf-4950-a16c-fb950bffdcd4","priorizar el nombramiento de gestores competentes en el sector público","a_favor",0.88,"Defiende formar un buen equipo y valora la selección para el sector público.",true,{"idx":919,"utterance_id":920,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":921,"start_s":922,"end_s":923,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},125,"17345","Y tenemos excelentes personas en el sector público.",642.44,647.52,{"idx":925,"utterance_id":926,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":927,"start_s":928,"end_s":929,"word_count":266,"indexable":178},126,"17346","Cabe recordar que en el sector público hay mucha gente que ingresó por concurso, capacitada, pero que generalmente es relegada a un segundo plano por el politiqueo.",648.06,659.18,{"idx":931,"utterance_id":932,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":933,"start_s":934,"end_s":935,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},127,"17347","Tomemos el caso de Minas Gerais.",660.2,662.04,{"idx":937,"utterance_id":938,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":939,"start_s":940,"end_s":941,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},128,"17348","Nunca en el pasado un funcionario de carrera de la Secretaría de Medio Ambiente, de la Secretaría de Educación... había sido secretario de Medio Ambiente ni secretario de Educación.",662.84,678.1,{"idx":943,"utterance_id":944,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":945,"start_s":946,"end_s":947,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},129,"17349","Es lo mismo que en una empresa, Bruno, decir: mira, ustedes aquí pueden crecer, pero nunca serán presidentes de la empresa.",678.78,686.38,{"idx":949,"utterance_id":950,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":951,"start_s":952,"end_s":953,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},130,"17350","¿Entiendes?",686.44,688.22,{"idx":955,"utterance_id":956,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":957,"start_s":958,"end_s":959,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},131,"17351","¿Estás de acuerdo en que eso es un balde de agua fría para el ánimo, para el entusiasmo de quien quiere crecer?",688.54,694.3,{"idx":961,"utterance_id":962,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":963,"start_s":964,"end_s":965,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},132,"17352","Entonces, allá en Minas, y creo que en gran parte de Brasil, funciona así.",695.02,699.16,{"idx":967,"utterance_id":968,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":969,"start_s":970,"end_s":971,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":972,"target_proposition":973,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":974,"rationale":975,"indexable":917},133,"17353","Pero hicimos un proceso selectivo y pusimos por primera vez en la historia a una mujer al frente de la Secretaría de Medio Ambiente, que es de carrera allí.",700.1,712.42,"357f040a-c5ad-4207-bb61-15dcbc4cef7b","realizar procesos selectivos para la designación de secretarios y gestores públicos",0.92,"Afirma haber realizado un proceso selectivo y nombrado a un funcionario de carrera para la Secretaría de Medio Ambiente.",{"idx":977,"utterance_id":978,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":979,"start_s":980,"end_s":981,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":972,"target_proposition":973,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":983,"indexable":917},134,"17354","Pusimos a un exdirector, profesor, al frente de la Secretaría de Educación.",713.06,719.3,0.9,"Menciona haber puesto a un exdirector\u002Fprofesor al frente de la Secretaría, reivindicando acción.",{"idx":985,"utterance_id":986,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":987,"start_s":988,"end_s":989,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":972,"target_proposition":973,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":990,"indexable":917},135,"17355","Y cuando tienes gente buena, y nosotros hicimos proceso selectivo, incluso headhunter, que usamos cuando gané las elecciones en 2018, ya empiezas a tener una diferencia.",720.46,731.88,"Declara el uso de proceso selectivo y de headhunter en los nombramientos.",{"idx":992,"utterance_id":993,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":994,"start_s":995,"end_s":996,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":912,"target_proposition":913,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":999,"indexable":178},136,"17356","Al sector público no le gusta la gente competente.",733.32,736.5,"neutro_descritivo",0.7,"Afirma que el sector público privilegia el politiqueo — descripción del problema.",{"idx":1001,"utterance_id":1002,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1003,"start_s":1004,"end_s":1005,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},137,"17357","Le gusta la gente que va allí a hacer politiqueo.",737.34,740.2,{"idx":61,"utterance_id":1007,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1008,"start_s":1009,"end_s":1010,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},"17358","Por eso la salud no avanza, por eso la seguridad pública no avanza en Brasil.",740.7,745.58,{"idx":1012,"utterance_id":1013,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1014,"start_s":1015,"end_s":1016,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},139,"17359","Ese es el gran problema del sector público.",746.7,749.34,{"idx":1018,"utterance_id":1019,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1020,"start_s":1021,"end_s":1022,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},140,"17360","Ponen allí a quienes son más operadores electorales que personas que entienden de salud, de seguridad, de educación, de seguridad pública.",749.42,758.72,{"idx":1024,"utterance_id":1025,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1026,"start_s":1027,"end_s":1028,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":1029,"topic_label":1030,"target_id":1031,"target_proposition":1032,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":1033,"indexable":917},141,"17361","Y allí... Somos hoy, Bruno, el estado que tiene el menor número de secretarías.",759.18,765.98,"papel-do-estado","Papel del Estado","ce3a6dc0-2223-4096-af6f-e4ced31ccd9c","reducir el tamaño del Estado y la burocracia","Afirma 'nós somos hoje' con menor número de secretarías — reivindica acción.",{"idx":1035,"utterance_id":1036,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1037,"start_s":1038,"end_s":1039,"word_count":253,"indexable":178},142,"17362","Si haces un sondeo, a pesar de que Minas es el segundo estado más poblado de Brasil, sólo pierde ante São Paulo; somos el estado más reducido: 14 secretarías.",766.94,778.88,{"idx":1041,"utterance_id":1042,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1043,"start_s":1044,"end_s":1045,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},143,"17363","Muchas ciudades del interior tienen más secretarios de los que nosotros tenemos allí.",779.66,783.42,{"idx":50,"utterance_id":1047,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1048,"start_s":1049,"end_s":1050,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":1029,"topic_label":1030,"target_id":1031,"target_proposition":1032,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":1052,"indexable":917},"17364","Ahora, ¿necesitas tres dentistas en tu boca para resolver tu problema dental?",784.24,789,0.75,"Utiliza la analogía (un buen dentista) para justificar menos secretarías.",{"idx":1054,"utterance_id":1055,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1056,"start_s":1057,"end_s":1058,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},145,"17365","No hace falta.",789.04,789.56,{"idx":1060,"utterance_id":1061,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1062,"start_s":1063,"end_s":1064,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},146,"17366","Un buen dentista lo resuelve.",790,791.44,{"idx":1066,"utterance_id":1067,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1068,"start_s":1069,"end_s":1070,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":1029,"topic_label":1030,"target_id":1031,"target_proposition":1032,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":1071,"indexable":178},147,"17367","Y así lo hicimos allí.",792.4,793.72,"Reivindica haber implementado la medida ('E assim nós fizemos lá').",{"idx":1073,"utterance_id":1074,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1075,"start_s":1076,"end_s":1077,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},148,"17368","Entonces, el sector público, además de tener gente buena, tiene el politiqueo que hace que ese personal quede, en mi opinión, subutilizado y también indignado.",794.16,805.98,{"idx":1079,"utterance_id":1080,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1081,"start_s":1082,"end_s":1083,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},149,"17369","Y llegamos allí haciendo ese cambio.",806.54,808.72,{"idx":1085,"utterance_id":1086,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1087,"start_s":1088,"end_s":1089,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},150,"17370","Ahora, ayudó mucho, además de esa visión de personal, que... Yo siempre tuve: quedarme siempre con los mejores, estar seleccionando eternamente a tu equipo.",809.46,821.02,{"idx":1091,"utterance_id":1092,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1093,"start_s":1094,"end_s":1095,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1096,"target_proposition":1097,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1098,"rationale":1099,"indexable":178},151,"17371","La cuestión de tener metas, de tener seguimiento, no existía.",821.48,824.78,"3c772ac4-b4e9-4da2-a5df-445cfdcfcf5a","implementar metas y seguimiento periódico en secretarías estatales",0.66,"Relata la ausencia de metas y de seguimiento en el pasado.",{"idx":1101,"utterance_id":1102,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1103,"start_s":1104,"end_s":1105,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},152,"17372","El exgobernador de Minas, Fernando Pimentel, del PT, la información que tengo es que estuvo allí cuatro años, no tuvo una reunión de secretariado.",825.7,836.2,{"idx":1107,"utterance_id":1108,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1109,"start_s":1110,"end_s":1111,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},153,"17373","No sé cómo funciona.",837.66,838.96,{"idx":1113,"utterance_id":1114,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1115,"start_s":1116,"end_s":1117,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1096,"target_proposition":1097,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":1118,"indexable":178},154,"17374","Hago, como mínimo, dos al mes.",840.2,842.38,"Declara una acción propia: realiza dos reuniones de secretariado al mes.",{"idx":1120,"utterance_id":1121,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1122,"start_s":1123,"end_s":1124,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1096,"target_proposition":1097,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":1126,"indexable":917},155,"17375","para poder estar supervisando, transmitiendo las directrices, discutiendo algunas cuestiones.",843.12,848.56,0.85,"Explica la finalidad de las reuniones: supervisar y transmitir directrices.",{"idx":1128,"utterance_id":1129,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1130,"start_s":1131,"end_s":1132,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},156,"17376","Pero creo que la lógica en el pasado era otra: era repartir cargos.",849.18,853.5,{"idx":39,"utterance_id":1134,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1135,"start_s":1136,"end_s":1137,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},"17377","Era decirle al partido: tal, esta secretaría es tuya, haces aquí lo que te plazca.",854.18,859.46,{"idx":1139,"utterance_id":1140,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1141,"start_s":1142,"end_s":1143,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},158,"17378","Y no hacía falta conversar con nadie más.",859.64,861.84,{"idx":337,"utterance_id":1145,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1146,"start_s":1147,"end_s":1148,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},"17379","Creo que ninguna empresa o institución funciona si no tienes un proceso bien engrasado.",862.82,869.18,{"idx":1150,"utterance_id":1151,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1152,"start_s":1153,"end_s":1154,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},160,"17380","Si Compras no está conversando con Producción, que conversa con Ventas, que conversa con Marketing, que conversa con Finanzas, ¿estás de acuerdo?",869.72,878.62,{"idx":1156,"utterance_id":1157,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1158,"start_s":1159,"end_s":1160,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},161,"17381","Allí nadie hablaba con nadie.",879.02,880.68,{"idx":1162,"utterance_id":1163,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1164,"start_s":1165,"end_s":1166,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},162,"17382","Entonces se puede ver cómo el sector público en Brasil no tiene eficiencia, porque cada uno mira sólo su propio ombligo.",881.32,892.1,{"idx":1168,"utterance_id":1169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1170,"start_s":1171,"end_s":1172,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},163,"17383","sin mirar el resultado, las sinergias que se pueden extraer del conjunto.",892.78,897.32,{"idx":1174,"utterance_id":1175,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1176,"start_s":1177,"end_s":1178,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},164,"17384","Así que es una gran fuente de oportunidades.",897.72,900.46,{"idx":1180,"utterance_id":1181,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1182,"start_s":1183,"end_s":1184,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1185,"target_proposition":1186,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":1188,"indexable":917},165,"17385","Cuando llega allí alguien con visión de eficiencia, con visión de entrega, empiezas a hacer una diferencia evidente.",901,910.58,"7f47a2da-90db-4c06-8848-31a877519244","mejorar la gestión pública",0.8,"Sostiene que una visión de eficiencia produce una diferencia evidente en la gestión pública.",{"idx":1190,"utterance_id":1191,"speaker_name":174,"text":1192,"start_s":1193,"end_s":1194,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},166,"17386","¿Y qué diferencia viste con esa experiencia en el sector privado?",911.04,915.84,{"idx":1196,"utterance_id":1197,"speaker_name":174,"text":1198,"start_s":1199,"end_s":1200,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},167,"17387","en comparación con lo que encontraste en las empresas públicas del Estado de Minas Gerais, la Semiga y la Copasa, por ejemplo.",916.38,921.36,{"idx":1202,"utterance_id":1203,"speaker_name":174,"text":1204,"start_s":1205,"end_s":1206,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},168,"17388","Porque hablaste del gobernador anterior, Pimentel.",921.96,925.2,{"idx":1208,"utterance_id":1209,"speaker_name":174,"text":1210,"start_s":1211,"end_s":1212,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},169,"17389","El PT, no puedo decir que es sólo el PT, buena parte de la política tradicional funciona mediante ese esquema de reparto de cargos.",926.24,932.76,{"idx":1214,"utterance_id":1215,"speaker_name":174,"text":1216,"start_s":1217,"end_s":1218,"word_count":291,"indexable":178},170,"17390","Mira, eres mi aliado, así que toma aquí una estatal para que la controles, y entonces pones a un político para dirigir una empresa, siendo que ese tipo a veces no tiene ninguna experiencia en gestión.",933,941.38,{"idx":1220,"utterance_id":1221,"speaker_name":174,"text":1222,"start_s":1223,"end_s":1224,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},171,"17391","Y la empresa acaba convirtiéndose en un coladero de empleos.",941.92,945.1,{"idx":1226,"utterance_id":1227,"speaker_name":174,"text":1228,"start_s":1229,"end_s":1230,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},172,"17392","Se vuelve mega ineficiente.",945.52,947,{"idx":1232,"utterance_id":1233,"speaker_name":174,"text":1234,"start_s":1235,"end_s":1236,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},173,"17393","Debía dar lucro, terminó dando pérdidas, como los Correios ahora, por ejemplo.",947.58,950.58,{"idx":1238,"utterance_id":1239,"speaker_name":174,"text":1240,"start_s":1241,"end_s":1242,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},174,"17394","¿Qué encontraste allí que dijeras, amigo, esto es... ¿Cómo puede funcionar así?",951.32,954.94,{"idx":1244,"utterance_id":1245,"speaker_name":174,"text":1246,"start_s":1247,"end_s":1248,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1251,"target_proposition":1252,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":1253,"indexable":178},175,"17395","¿Qué hiciste para cambiarlo?",955.2,956.18,"empresas-estatais","Empresas estatales","12f81f74-4fc7-4bd7-a469-b19bdcaf15e3","mejorar los incentivos de gestión en empresas estatales","Afirma como logro del gobierno: Semig\u002FCopasa se revalorizaron desde su elección.",{"idx":1255,"utterance_id":1256,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1257,"start_s":1258,"end_s":1259,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},176,"17396","Entonces, eso que dijiste es pura verdad.",957.74,960.36,{"idx":1261,"utterance_id":1262,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1263,"start_s":1264,"end_s":1265,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},177,"17397","Tanto es así que la Semig y la Copasa... desde que fui elegido en 2018, han triplicado o cuadruplicado su valor.",960.96,969.98,{"idx":1267,"utterance_id":1268,"speaker_name":174,"text":1269,"start_s":1270,"end_s":1271,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},178,"17398","Además, si puedes explicar para quien no es de Minas, ¿qué es la CEMIG y la Copasa?",970.14,973.06,{"idx":1273,"utterance_id":1274,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1275,"start_s":1276,"end_s":1277,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},179,"17399","La CEMIG es nuestra operadora de energía eléctrica.",973.58,977.1,{"idx":1279,"utterance_id":1280,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1281,"start_s":1282,"end_s":1283,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},180,"17400","Es como la CPFL aquí en São Paulo, la CESP, la Eletropaulo, ¿sabes cuál es?",977.58,982.96,{"idx":1285,"utterance_id":1286,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1287,"start_s":1288,"end_s":1289,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},181,"17401","La Enel.",983.58,985.64,{"idx":1291,"utterance_id":1292,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1293,"start_s":1294,"end_s":1295,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},182,"17402","Entonces, la gente creo que lo puede entender.",987.3,989.52,{"idx":1297,"utterance_id":1298,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1299,"start_s":1300,"end_s":1301,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},183,"17403","La Semig es una gran operadora, tiene más de 8 millones de clientes.",989.58,993.82,{"idx":45,"utterance_id":1303,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1304,"start_s":1305,"end_s":1306,"word_count":372,"indexable":178},"17404","Y la Copasa es nuestra Sabesp de São Paulo, la compañía de saneamiento, que además atiende a más de 740 municipios en Minas Gerais, responsable del suministro de agua y también del tratamiento de aguas residuales.",994.72,1011.18,{"idx":1308,"utterance_id":1309,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1310,"start_s":1311,"end_s":1312,"word_count":43,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1313,"target_proposition":1314,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1315,"rationale":1316,"indexable":178},185,"17405","Y esas empresas estaban... Bruno, en la situación que describiste, era cargo político, era para atender favores políticos, pero, ante todo, estaban hinchadas, al igual que el Estado.",1011.82,1026.98,"4919226e-2481-483c-8f6a-036b9996d9c3","evitar nombramientos políticos para la dirección de empresas estatales",0.72,"Describe la situación: empresas estatales ocupadas por cargos políticos y sobredimensionadas.",{"idx":1318,"utterance_id":1319,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1320,"start_s":1321,"end_s":1322,"word_count":248,"topic_slug":1029,"topic_label":1030,"target_id":1323,"target_proposition":1324,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":974,"rationale":1325,"indexable":917},186,"17406","Entre empresas estatales, el Estado y las autarquías, redujimos más de 50.000 cargos.",1027.28,1035.12,"06033de7-7f90-42c4-ac3d-a2d9c30f1ecc","reducir el tamaño del Estado y disminuir la dependencia del gobierno","Declaración explícita: 'reduzimos mais de 50 mil cargos' (acción concreta).",{"idx":1327,"utterance_id":1328,"speaker_name":174,"text":1329,"start_s":1330,"end_s":1331,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},187,"17407","¿50.000 cargos?",1035.14,1036.52,{"idx":1333,"utterance_id":1334,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1335,"start_s":1336,"end_s":1337,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},188,"17408","50.000 cargos.",1036.54,1037.96,{"idx":1339,"utterance_id":1340,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1341,"start_s":1342,"end_s":1343,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},189,"17409","Minas, en una crisis financiera gigantesca.",1038.88,1042.42,{"idx":1345,"utterance_id":1346,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1347,"start_s":1348,"end_s":1349,"word_count":324,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":1352,"target_proposition":1353,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":1354,"indexable":917},190,"17410","El gobierno anterior pagaba los salarios fraccionados, no pagaba el décimo tercero, no hacía pagos a proveedores, ni transferencias a los municipios y había que recortar.",1043.28,1057.6,"orcamento-publico","Presupuesto público","1a6d2967-812f-48a0-818b-711f63bd5444","garantizar pago puntual de la nómina y de los giros a los municipios","critica los atrasos del gobierno anterior e insinúa haber regularizado los pagos.",{"idx":1356,"utterance_id":1357,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1358,"start_s":1359,"end_s":1360,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},191,"17411","Así que recortamos.",1057.64,1058.6,{"idx":1362,"utterance_id":1363,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1364,"start_s":1365,"end_s":1366,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},192,"17412","Había demasiada gente.",1058.72,1059.72,{"idx":1368,"utterance_id":1369,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1370,"start_s":1371,"end_s":1372,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1251,"target_proposition":1252,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":1373,"indexable":917},193,"17413","Ahora, el hecho que más demuestra cómo una empresa estatal impide el desarrollo, te voy a contar aquí dos casos que viví.",1060.44,1070.88,"anuncia casos que prueban cómo la mala gestión estatal impide el desarrollo.",{"idx":1375,"utterance_id":1376,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1377,"start_s":1378,"end_s":1379,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},194,"17414","Y que aún vivo, de cierta manera, en la CEMIG, que es nuestra compañía de energía eléctrica.",1072.44,1077.18,{"idx":1381,"utterance_id":1382,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1383,"start_s":1384,"end_s":1385,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1386,"target_proposition":1387,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":1388,"indexable":917},195,"17415","La CEMIG, quien acompaña su trayectoria sabrá que allá por los años 2010, fue a invertir en todo Brasil, menos en Minas Gerais.",1078.36,1090.8,"60c94b4d-6ff4-4911-9fff-697418138502","priorizar inversiones de CEMIG en infraestructura de Minas Gerais","critica la inversión fuera de Minas y defiende prioridad local.",{"idx":1390,"utterance_id":1391,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1392,"start_s":1393,"end_s":1394,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},196,"17416","Y CEMIG significa Compañía Energética de Minas Gerais.",1091.58,1095.62,{"idx":1396,"utterance_id":1397,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1398,"start_s":1399,"end_s":1400,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},197,"17417","Debería haber invertido en Minas.",1096.52,1098.42,{"idx":1402,"utterance_id":1403,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1404,"start_s":1405,"end_s":1406,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},198,"17418","Pero fue a invertir en Light, en Río de Janeiro, que debes conocer.",1099.04,1102.48,{"idx":1408,"utterance_id":1409,"speaker_name":174,"text":1410,"start_s":1411,"end_s":1412,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},199,"17419","Hizo inversiones.",1103.14,1104.04,{"idx":1414,"utterance_id":1415,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1416,"start_s":1417,"end_s":1418,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},200,"17420","Hubo otro que no se queda atrás, no.",1105.74,1108.28,{"idx":1420,"utterance_id":1421,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1422,"start_s":1423,"end_s":1424,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},201,"17421","El Parque Eólico Renova, en el sur de Bahía.",1108.68,1111.42,{"idx":1426,"utterance_id":1427,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1428,"start_s":1429,"end_s":1430,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},202,"17422","Ese pidió quiebra o recuperación judicial.",1112.32,1115.34,{"idx":11,"utterance_id":1432,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1433,"start_s":1434,"end_s":1435,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},"17423","Belo Monte y Santo Antônio, allá en el gran Norte.",1115.92,1118.48,{"idx":1437,"utterance_id":1438,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1439,"start_s":1440,"end_s":1441,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},204,"17424","Todos desastres en términos de inversión.",1119.84,1123.28,{"idx":1443,"utterance_id":1444,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1445,"start_s":1446,"end_s":1447,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1448,"target_proposition":1449,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":1450,"indexable":917},205,"17425","Esas cuatro inversiones conjuntamente ocasionaron una pérdida contable de más de 12.000 millones de reales para la CEMIG.",1123.76,1133.14,"af42cc3e-942c-4a37-82d1-1d23257c6e29","garantizar la independencia técnica de las empresas estatales, evitando nombramientos políticos","cita un perjuicio contable de R$12 bi y critica inversiones erradas.",{"idx":55,"utterance_id":1452,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1453,"start_s":1454,"end_s":1455,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},"17426","La participación societaria, la equivalencia patrimonial.",1133.64,1136.86,{"idx":1457,"utterance_id":1458,"speaker_name":174,"text":1459,"start_s":1460,"end_s":1461,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},207,"17427","¿Y crees que realmente fueron inversiones?",1137.06,1140.18,{"idx":1463,"utterance_id":1464,"speaker_name":174,"text":1465,"start_s":1466,"end_s":1467,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},208,"17428","¿Un gestor tomó la decisión y la evaluó mal?",1140.5,1142.8,{"idx":1469,"utterance_id":1470,"speaker_name":174,"text":1471,"start_s":1472,"end_s":1473,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},209,"17429","¿O fue un intercambio de favores, tipo fondos de previsión comprando CDBs del Banco Master?",1143.4,1148.26,{"idx":1475,"utterance_id":1476,"speaker_name":174,"text":1477,"start_s":1478,"end_s":1479,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},210,"17430","Porque probablemente alguien estaba ganando por fuera.",1148.3,1150.02,{"idx":1481,"utterance_id":1482,"speaker_name":174,"text":1483,"start_s":1484,"end_s":1485,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},211,"17431","Algo de corrupción.",1150.14,1150.8,{"idx":1487,"utterance_id":1488,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1489,"start_s":1490,"end_s":1491,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},212,"17432","En esa época yo no seguía la política, pero sí fue una mala inversión.",1151.54,1156.2,{"idx":1493,"utterance_id":1494,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1495,"start_s":1496,"end_s":1497,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},213,"17433","Y fue también, en mi opinión, un proyecto de politiqueo.",1157.02,1161.98,{"idx":1499,"utterance_id":1500,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1501,"start_s":1502,"end_s":1503,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},214,"17434","Querían transformar a la CEMIG en una Eletrobras 2, diciendo que ahora la CEMIG será grande, operará en todo Brasil, que eso ayudaría en mi proyecto político de exgobernadores.",1162.3,1177.62,{"idx":1505,"utterance_id":1506,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1507,"start_s":1508,"end_s":1509,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},215,"17435","Recuerda a quien quieras ahí, ¿entiendes?",1178.88,1181.3,{"idx":1511,"utterance_id":1512,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1513,"start_s":1514,"end_s":1515,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},216,"17436","Entonces, era un proyecto político.",1181.84,1184.34,{"idx":1517,"utterance_id":1518,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1519,"start_s":1520,"end_s":1521,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},217,"17437","Y con eso, ¿sabes lo que pasó?",1185.02,1186.56,{"idx":1523,"utterance_id":1524,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1525,"start_s":1526,"end_s":1527,"word_count":246,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1530,"target_proposition":1531,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":1532,"indexable":917},218,"17438","Además de que la CEMIG tuvo esa pérdida superior a 12.000 millones en los balances, también hubo el abandono y deterioro de toda la infraestructura de transmisión y distribución en Minas.",1186.64,1201.1,"matriz-energetica","Matriz energética","bfe17923-04b7-4611-ac7b-a07c2b736cc7","recuperar e invertir en la infraestructura de transmisión y distribución de energía en Minas Gerais","denuncia el deterioro de la infraestructura e implica la necesidad de su recuperación.",{"idx":1534,"utterance_id":1535,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1536,"start_s":1537,"end_s":1538,"word_count":424,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1539,"target_proposition":1540,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1315,"rationale":1541,"indexable":178},219,"17439","Cuando hice mi campaña en 2018, Bruno y Malu, lo que más vi... En el momento en que llegaba a una ciudad, era un productor rural diciendo: mira, mi pivote central está parado desde hace cuatro años, ¿por qué no recibo energía?",1202.1,1217.54,"39a6cdbe-3ae7-4f0d-b8d8-a563b10ecadb","garantizar el suministro de energía eléctrica a productores rurales","relata quejas de productores por falta de energía, sin proponer acción.",{"idx":1543,"utterance_id":1544,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1545,"start_s":1546,"end_s":1547,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1548,"target_proposition":1549,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1315,"rationale":1550,"indexable":178},220,"17440","Mira, mi industria, tuve que comprar un generador, amplié la producción y la Semig no me suministra energía.",1219.02,1225.08,"97131255-3968-4e6b-8d71-96bdb0043198","garantizar el suministro de energía eléctrica a industrias y productores","relato de problema de suministro y uso de generador, sin propuesta explícita.",{"idx":1552,"utterance_id":1553,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1554,"start_s":1555,"end_s":1556,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},221,"17441","Lo escuché dondequiera que iba.",1225.72,1227.98,{"idx":1558,"utterance_id":1559,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1560,"start_s":1561,"end_s":1562,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1563,"target_proposition":1564,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1565,"rationale":1566,"indexable":917},222,"17442","Tanto es así que, en mi gestión, para poder corregir eso, actuamos; la Semig cumplió 70 años hace poco.",1229.08,1236.92,"c1eed7ed-d24e-4968-9b22-57a537f3dd64","expandir la infraestructura de transmisión y distribución de energía eléctrica",0.78,"afirma que su gestión actuó para corregir el problema (reivindica acción propia).",{"idx":1568,"utterance_id":1569,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1570,"start_s":1571,"end_s":1572,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1563,"target_proposition":1564,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":1573,"indexable":178},223,"17443","En 70 años, había hecho 400 subestaciones.",1237.8,1241.52,"cita el historial de subestaciones realizadas por la estatal como dato descriptivo.",{"idx":1575,"utterance_id":1576,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1577,"start_s":1578,"end_s":1579,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1563,"target_proposition":1564,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":1580,"indexable":917},224,"17444","En mi gestión, entregamos 200, para que te hagas una idea.",1242.1,1245.82,"reivindica la entrega de 200 subestaciones en su gestión (acción concreta).",{"idx":1582,"utterance_id":1583,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1584,"start_s":1585,"end_s":1586,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},225,"17445","En 70 años, hizo 400.",1246.88,1248.48,{"idx":1588,"utterance_id":1589,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1590,"start_s":1591,"end_s":1592,"word_count":248,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1563,"target_proposition":1564,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1565,"rationale":1593,"indexable":917},226,"17446","En 7 años, nosotros estamos haciendo 200, para poder sacar ese atraso.",1248.7,1254.14,"dice que en 7 años hicieron 200 subestaciones para 'tirar o atraso'.",{"idx":1595,"utterance_id":1596,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1597,"start_s":1598,"end_s":1599,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1600,"target_proposition":1601,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1098,"rationale":1602,"indexable":178},227,"17447","Ahora, no es solo dinero lo que resuelve eso.",1254.66,1256.8,"1b17333e-b526-43ca-a3fa-cfb1945e5ebd","invertir en material y personal para ejecutar obras de infraestructura","afirma que no basta solo dinero; hace falta material y personal.",{"idx":1604,"utterance_id":1605,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1606,"start_s":1607,"end_s":1608,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},228,"17448","Atiende a todo el Estado.",1257.62,1259.02,{"idx":1610,"utterance_id":1611,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1612,"start_s":1613,"end_s":1614,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},229,"17449","El Estado de Minas tiene el tamaño de Francia.",1259.06,1260.92,{"idx":1616,"utterance_id":1617,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1618,"start_s":1619,"end_s":1620,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},230,"17450","Es casi el doble del área del Estado de São Paulo.",1261.06,1263.96,{"idx":1622,"utterance_id":1623,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1624,"start_s":1625,"end_s":1626,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},231,"17451","Usted necesita, además del dinero, material y gente para ejecutar.",1264.46,1270.16,{"idx":1628,"utterance_id":1629,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1630,"start_s":1631,"end_s":1632,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1563,"target_proposition":1564,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1315,"rationale":1633,"indexable":178},232,"17452","Pero ese problema está casi resuelto.",1270.54,1272.8,"declara que el problema energético 'está quase que resolvido' por la gestión.",{"idx":1635,"utterance_id":1636,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1637,"start_s":1638,"end_s":1639,"word_count":229,"topic_slug":1528,"topic_label":1529,"target_id":1563,"target_proposition":1564,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":1640,"indexable":917},233,"17453","De esas 200 subestaciones, ya estamos entregando las últimas.",1273.44,1278.22,"afirma la entrega de las últimas subestaciones como resultado de su gestión.",{"idx":1642,"utterance_id":1643,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1644,"start_s":1645,"end_s":1646,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1647,"target_proposition":1648,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1649,"rationale":1650,"indexable":178},234,"17454","Y otro problema que, en este caso, no es solo incompetencia, no, es falta de planificación.",1279.1,1285.18,"5296fc9c-bb22-4d1b-bb1b-0e38d792f3b6","implementar planificación efectiva para la expansión de la infraestructura eléctrica",0.74,"atribuye el problema a la falta de planificación y defiende su corrección.",{"idx":1652,"utterance_id":1653,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1654,"start_s":1655,"end_s":1656,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1647,"target_proposition":1648,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1657,"rationale":1658,"indexable":178},235,"17455","Eso es mala fe, en mi opinión.",1285.26,1286.94,0.6,"califica la actitud anterior de 'má fé', criticando la gestión pasada.",{"idx":1660,"utterance_id":1661,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1662,"start_s":1663,"end_s":1664,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1665,"topic_label":1666,"target_id":1667,"target_proposition":1668,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":1669,"indexable":178},236,"17456","Cuando asumí en Minas Gerais, generaba... 500 megavatios de energía fotovoltaica, energía solar.",1288.76,1295.84,"meio-ambiente-e-energia-renovavel","Medio ambiente y energía renovable","8526de69-21e3-45bb-bdc0-cb3c0a087572","invertir en infraestructura logística y en energías renovables (hidrovía, ferrocarril, carreteras, solar, eólica)","informa generación inicial de 500 MW al asumir, sin petición explícita.",{"idx":1671,"utterance_id":1672,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1673,"start_s":1674,"end_s":1675,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},237,"17457","500 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más.",1306.4,1307.94,{"idx":1701,"utterance_id":1702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1703,"start_s":1704,"end_s":1705,"word_count":248,"topic_slug":1665,"topic_label":1666,"target_id":1667,"target_proposition":1668,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1315,"rationale":1706,"indexable":178},242,"17462","Eso significa que pusimos dentro de Minas Gerais una Itaipu, prácticamente.",1308.6,1313.52,"usa 'nós' para atribuir el gran aumento de solar a su gestión.",{"idx":1708,"utterance_id":1709,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1710,"start_s":1711,"end_s":1712,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},243,"17463","Que es la capacidad de una Itaipu.",1313.98,1315.42,{"idx":1714,"utterance_id":1715,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1716,"start_s":1717,"end_s":1718,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":1719,"topic_label":1720,"target_id":1721,"target_proposition":1722,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1723,"rationale":1724,"indexable":178},244,"17464","Más de 85.000 millones en inversiones privadas.",1316.16,1320.38,"financiamento-privado","Financiamiento privado","e94c8742-096c-4904-9b29-13dc892deea4","atraer inversiones privadas en generación de energía renovable",0.68,"cita R$85 bilhões de inversión privada como dato informativo.",{"idx":23,"utterance_id":1726,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1727,"start_s":1728,"end_s":1729,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},"17465","que esas plantas llevaron a Minas.",1321.36,1324,{"idx":1731,"utterance_id":1732,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1733,"start_s":1734,"end_s":1735,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},246,"17466","Eso está todo pulverizado.",1325.52,1326.88,{"idx":1737,"utterance_id":1738,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1739,"start_s":1740,"end_s":1741,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},247,"17467","Son cientos, miles de pequeñas plantas esparcidas por todo el Estado.",1327.16,1331.78,{"idx":1743,"utterance_id":1744,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1745,"start_s":1746,"end_s":1747,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},248,"17468","Pero antes eso no ocurría.",1332.5,1334.16,{"idx":1749,"utterance_id":1750,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1751,"start_s":1752,"end_s":1753,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},249,"17469","¿Sabe por qué?",1334.2,1334.96,{"idx":1755,"utterance_id":1756,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1757,"start_s":1758,"end_s":1759,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":1665,"topic_label":1666,"target_id":1760,"target_proposition":1761,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1762,"rationale":1763,"indexable":917},250,"17470","Porque la CEMIG solo autorizaba construir una planta solar a quien era amigo del rey.",1336.16,1344.7,"623c5c92-44a2-4057-9fbb-977adf00a0c6","autorizar la instalación de plantas solares de forma transparente y competitiva",0.87,"acusa a la estatal de autorizar solo a 'amigos do rei' — defiende la transparencia.",{"idx":1765,"utterance_id":1766,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1767,"start_s":1768,"end_s":1769,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":1665,"topic_label":1666,"target_id":1760,"target_proposition":1761,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1770,"rationale":1771,"indexable":917},251,"17471","Entonces el amigo del rey construyó una planta solar, que era y todavía es, a pesar de los cambios, un negocio muy rentable.",1346.54,1354.3,0.86,"describe favoritismo en la autorización, implicando defensa de criterios justos.",{"idx":1773,"utterance_id":1774,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1775,"start_s":1776,"end_s":1777,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},252,"17472","Y en el momento en que tenía la carta de autorización, ¿adivina si la construía?",1355.26,1361.52,{"idx":1779,"utterance_id":1780,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1781,"start_s":1782,"end_s":1783,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},253,"17473","¿Qué iba a hacer?",1362,1362.98,{"idx":1785,"utterance_id":1786,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1787,"start_s":1788,"end_s":1789,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},254,"17474","¿Iba al mercado?",1363.9,1365.26,{"idx":1791,"utterance_id":1792,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1793,"start_s":1794,"end_s":1795,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},255,"17475","Mira, Malu, yo tengo aquí una autorización para hacer este negocio aquí, que es muy rentable.",1366.22,1370.74,{"idx":1797,"utterance_id":1798,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1799,"start_s":1800,"end_s":1801,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":1665,"topic_label":1666,"target_id":1760,"target_proposition":1761,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":1802,"indexable":917},256,"17476","Me pagas 4 millones, te la vendo.",1370.8,1373.1,"relata venta de autorización a cambio de pago, criticando el favoritismo.",{"idx":1804,"utterance_id":1805,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1806,"start_s":1807,"end_s":1808,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},257,"17477","Funcionaba así.",1375.26,1376.62,{"idx":1810,"utterance_id":1811,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1812,"start_s":1813,"end_s":1814,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1665,"topic_label":1666,"target_id":1760,"target_proposition":1761,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1770,"rationale":1815,"indexable":917},258,"17478","Y la fila no avanzaba para poder privilegiar a unos pocos amigos del rey.",1376.88,1383.08,"afirma que la fila no avanzaba para privilegiar a unos pocos — pide transparencia.",{"idx":1817,"utterance_id":1818,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1819,"start_s":1820,"end_s":1821,"word_count":241,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":1822,"target_proposition":1823,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":1824,"indexable":917},259,"17479","Mucha gente se enriqueció así y el Estado se quedaba sin energía eléctrica.",1383.7,1388.92,"fad8d715-a6de-4964-a56c-a2f003efca7e","aumentar la transparencia y los mecanismos de combate a la corrupción en la concesión de licencias","relata enriquecimiento ilícito y falta de energía, criticando la corrupción.",{"idx":1826,"utterance_id":1827,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1828,"start_s":1829,"end_s":1830,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},260,"17480","Los embalses solo bajando.",1389.58,1391.76,{"idx":1832,"utterance_id":1833,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1834,"start_s":1835,"end_s":1836,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1251,"target_proposition":1252,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":1837,"indexable":917},261,"17481","Cuando entré, pusimos un CEO nuevo en Semig, elegido.",1392.44,1397.36,"dice que colocó un nuevo CEO en la estatal como medida correctiva.",{"idx":1839,"utterance_id":1840,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1841,"start_s":1842,"end_s":1843,"word_count":389,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1251,"target_proposition":1252,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":1844,"indexable":917},262,"17482","por Red Hunter, pasó por todo ese proceso, y una de las cosas que le exigí fue un mapa de Minas en internet, que está ahí hasta hoy, cualquiera puede consultarlo, donde es posible ver la conexión.",1397.62,1410.74,"exige mapa público y transparencia en la estatal — reivindica acción propia.",{"idx":1846,"utterance_id":1847,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1848,"start_s":1849,"end_s":1850,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":1719,"topic_label":1720,"target_id":1721,"target_proposition":1722,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":1851,"indexable":178},263,"17483","Y entonces hubo ese boom de inversiones.",1411.44,1414.4,"atribuye el 'boom' de inversiones al cambio de gestión; descripción de efecto.",{"idx":1853,"utterance_id":1854,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1855,"start_s":1856,"end_s":1857,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1858,"target_proposition":1859,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1860,"rationale":1861,"indexable":917},264,"17484","Entonces se puede ver cómo una empresa... puede frenar el desarrollo de un Estado y de un país.",1415.34,1422.36,"145b3260-c134-42c1-944e-2bf693a7a301","privatizar Petrobras",0.82,"afirma que la empresa estatal puede frenar el desarrollo y que no es un buen negocio.",{"idx":1863,"utterance_id":1864,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1865,"start_s":1866,"end_s":1867,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1249,"topic_label":1250,"target_id":1858,"target_proposition":1859,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":1868,"indexable":917},265,"17485","Por eso una empresa estatal no es un buen negocio.",1422.5,1425.58,"Declara explícitamente 'empresa estatal não é um bom negócio'.",{"idx":1870,"utterance_id":1871,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":1872,"start_s":1873,"end_s":1874,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":1875,"topic_label":1876,"target_id":1877,"target_proposition":1878,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1565,"rationale":1879,"indexable":917},266,"17486","Usted mencionó a los Correos ahí y es un ejemplo actual.",1425.62,1428.76,"correios","Correos","b843dd11-a256-465e-8d9c-aa0f20069b91","privatizar los Correios","Cita a los Correios como ejemplo actual al criticar empresas estatales.",{"idx":1881,"utterance_id":1882,"speaker_name":174,"text":1883,"start_s":1884,"end_s":1885,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},267,"17487","Los Correos, en la gestión pasada, llegaron a dar lucro.",1429.52,1432.68,{"idx":1887,"utterance_id":1888,"speaker_name":174,"text":1889,"start_s":1890,"end_s":1891,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},268,"17488","Estaban a punto de ser privatizados, en una época en que habría gente queriendo comprar.",1433.58,1437.58,{"idx":1893,"utterance_id":1894,"speaker_name":174,"text":1895,"start_s":1896,"end_s":1897,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},269,"17489","Pero eso no ocurrió, el lucro se convirtió en pérdida y ahora es muy difícil que los Correos tengan el valor que tenían en el pasado.",1438.22,1445.58,{"idx":1899,"utterance_id":1900,"speaker_name":174,"text":1901,"start_s":1902,"end_s":1903,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":1875,"topic_label":1876,"target_id":1877,"target_proposition":1878,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":1904,"indexable":178},270,"17490","Porque usted tiene toda una infraestructura que fue creada por los competidores privados, que invierten mucho más, porque tienen lucro y usan el lucro para reinvertir.",1445.8,1451.86,"Sugiere que los competidores privados reinvierten beneficios, argumento pro-mercado.",{"idx":1906,"utterance_id":1907,"speaker_name":174,"text":1908,"start_s":1909,"end_s":1910,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},271,"17491","Los Correos tienen pérdidas.",1452.22,1453.2,{"idx":1912,"utterance_id":1913,"speaker_name":174,"text":1914,"start_s":1915,"end_s":1916,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":1875,"topic_label":1876,"target_id":1917,"target_proposition":1918,"stance":1919,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":1920,"indexable":917},272,"17492","Y entonces para poder solucionar ese problema de los Correos, ¿qué va a pasar?",1453.8,1457.14,"72e0438d-c7ae-4573-a788-039493b9b78c","capitalizar los Correios con recursos públicos","contra","Declara que el Estado va a capitalizar a los Correios y critica el uso de impuestos.",{"idx":1922,"utterance_id":1923,"speaker_name":174,"text":1924,"start_s":1925,"end_s":1926,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},273,"17493","El Estado va a capitalizar a los Correos.",1457.18,1458.58,{"idx":1928,"utterance_id":1929,"speaker_name":174,"text":1930,"start_s":1931,"end_s":1932,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":1933,"target_proposition":1934,"stance":1919,"stance_confidence":1770,"rationale":1935,"indexable":917},274,"17494","Entonces resulta que nuestro dinero de impuestos, en vez de ir a la educación, a la seguridad, va para salvar los Correos.",1459.2,1463.58,"62dbe1a8-2390-4433-b427-13103f6cf476","destinar recursos públicos para recapitalización de empresas estatales deficitarias","Critica que los impuestos se usarían para salvar a los Correios en lugar de educación\u002Fseguridad.",{"idx":1937,"utterance_id":1938,"speaker_name":174,"text":1939,"start_s":1940,"end_s":1941,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},275,"17495","Se va a poner en un negocio que no es un buen negocio hoy en día.",1463.66,1466.74,{"idx":1943,"utterance_id":1944,"speaker_name":174,"text":1945,"start_s":1946,"end_s":1947,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},276,"17496","Que no es un buen negocio.",1466.78,1468.02,{"idx":1949,"utterance_id":1950,"speaker_name":174,"text":1951,"start_s":1952,"end_s":1953,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},277,"17497","Aquí en el grupo tenemos nueve negocios diferentes.",1468.5,1470.82,{"idx":1955,"utterance_id":1956,"speaker_name":174,"text":1957,"start_s":1958,"end_s":1959,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":1960,"topic_label":1961,"target_id":1962,"target_proposition":1963,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1315,"rationale":1964,"indexable":178},278,"17498","Entonces digo que mi tarea, junto con los directores del grupo, es asignar bien los activos.",1471.58,1476.16,"politica-de-investimentos","Política de inversiones","7be7f049-c48b-4551-a717-d4e7772fdf6a","priorizar inversiones públicas basadas en ciencia, datos y técnica","Defiende asignar dinero donde genera más resultados, cerrando ineficiencias.",{"idx":1966,"utterance_id":1967,"speaker_name":174,"text":1968,"start_s":1969,"end_s":1970,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},279,"17499","Si hay un negocio que genera mucho más resultado, recibe más dinero en comparación con otro que no genera resultados.",1476.44,1480.48,{"idx":1972,"utterance_id":1973,"speaker_name":174,"text":1974,"start_s":1975,"end_s":1976,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},280,"17500","El que no genera, muchas veces ya cierra.",1480.58,1482.34,{"idx":1978,"utterance_id":1979,"speaker_name":174,"text":1980,"start_s":1981,"end_s":1982,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},281,"17501","En la gestión pública lo que sucede es: 'ah, aquí hay un negocio que está generando poco resultado'.",1482.92,1487.76,{"idx":1984,"utterance_id":1985,"speaker_name":174,"text":1986,"start_s":1987,"end_s":1988,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},282,"17502","No, dale más dinero.",1487.84,1488.5,{"idx":1990,"utterance_id":1991,"speaker_name":174,"text":1992,"start_s":1993,"end_s":1994,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},283,"17503","Dale más dinero.",1488.54,1489.08,{"idx":1996,"utterance_id":1997,"speaker_name":174,"text":1998,"start_s":1999,"end_s":2000,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},284,"17504","En lugar de cerrar el negocio.",1489.38,1490.66,{"idx":2002,"utterance_id":2003,"speaker_name":174,"text":2004,"start_s":2005,"end_s":2006,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},285,"17505","Exactamente.",1490.7,1491.32,{"idx":2008,"utterance_id":2009,"speaker_name":174,"text":2010,"start_s":2011,"end_s":2012,"word_count":248,"topic_slug":1875,"topic_label":1876,"target_id":1917,"target_proposition":1918,"stance":1919,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":2013,"indexable":917},286,"17506","Es que no tienen dinero, no tienen recursos, le echan la culpa a eso.",1491.38,1493.7,"Critica la inyección de dinero público en un negocio que no progresa.",{"idx":2015,"utterance_id":2016,"speaker_name":174,"text":2017,"start_s":2018,"end_s":2019,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},287,"17507","Entonces van y meten dinero y el negocio no avanza.",1493.76,1495.76,{"idx":2021,"utterance_id":2022,"speaker_name":174,"text":2023,"start_s":2024,"end_s":2025,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},288,"17508","Pero es increíble que el negocio que daba lucro... ahora dé tantas pérdidas.",1495.8,1500.08,{"idx":2027,"utterance_id":2028,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2029,"start_s":2030,"end_s":2031,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1875,"topic_label":1876,"target_id":1877,"target_proposition":1878,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1723,"rationale":2032,"indexable":178},289,"17509","Y los Correos, como usted dijo, valían un dineral allí, hace 10 años, hace 8 años, cuando se consideró privatizarlos.",1500.58,1509.32,"Afirma que los Correios valían mucho antes, hoy han perdido valor; descripción de mercado.",{"idx":2034,"utterance_id":2035,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2036,"start_s":2037,"end_s":2038,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},290,"17510","Hoy creo que nadie los quiere ni siquiera gratis.",1509.4,1510.94,{"idx":2040,"utterance_id":2041,"speaker_name":174,"text":2042,"start_s":2043,"end_s":2044,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},291,"17511","Pues sí, ya tienen todo un pasivo.",1510.98,1513.22,{"idx":2046,"utterance_id":2047,"speaker_name":174,"text":2048,"start_s":2049,"end_s":2050,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},292,"17512","¿Qué, en su opinión, en su gestión a lo largo de esos dos mandatos allá en Minas, fue una decisión acertada, pero muy impopular en su momento y con el tiempo se demostró correcta?",1513.4,1522.12,{"idx":2052,"utterance_id":2053,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2054,"start_s":2055,"end_s":2056,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":2057,"target_proposition":2058,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":2059,"indexable":178},293,"17513","Allá en Minas hubo un populismo.",1524.52,1527.4,"95f7a592-ac01-49b2-8f3d-02264447218d","priorizar el ahorro y la disciplina fiscal","Critica el populismo pasado y atribuye perjuicios al Estado.",{"idx":2061,"utterance_id":2062,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2063,"start_s":2064,"end_s":2065,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},294,"17514","Desmedido.",1528.16,1528.96,{"idx":2067,"utterance_id":2068,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2069,"start_s":2070,"end_s":2071,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},295,"17515","Y eso obstaculizó mucho al Estado.",1529.42,1531.36,{"idx":2073,"utterance_id":2074,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2075,"start_s":2076,"end_s":2077,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},296,"17516","Entonces, en su momento, un gobernador dijo: 'voy a congelar mi salario, el salario de mis secretarios'.",1532.38,1540.18,{"idx":2079,"utterance_id":2080,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2081,"start_s":2082,"end_s":2083,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},297,"17517","Y cuando asumí: un secretario de Estado de Educación, que tiene 200.000 funcionarios en el equipo; en Minas Gerais tenemos cerca de 3.500 escuelas.",1541.3,1555.82,{"idx":2085,"utterance_id":2086,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2087,"start_s":2088,"end_s":2089,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},298,"17518","Son 200.000 empleados en la educación.",1556.3,1558.9,{"idx":2091,"utterance_id":2092,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2093,"start_s":2094,"end_s":2095,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},299,"17519","Un secretario de Estado de Educación ganaba menos que prácticamente todos los secretarios municipales de educación del Estado, que tiene 853 municipios.",1559.54,1570.66,{"idx":2097,"utterance_id":2098,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2099,"start_s":2100,"end_s":2101,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},300,"17520","Es lo mismo que un general gane menos que un mayor, que un capitán.",1571.66,1578.3,{"idx":2103,"utterance_id":2104,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2105,"start_s":2106,"end_s":2107,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},301,"17521","No tiene sentido.",1579.22,1580.08,{"idx":2109,"utterance_id":2110,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2111,"start_s":2112,"end_s":2113,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},302,"17522","¿Está de acuerdo?",1580.12,1581.04,{"idx":2115,"utterance_id":2116,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2117,"start_s":2118,"end_s":2119,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},303,"17523","Y nadie tenía el coraje de corregirlo.",1581.74,1583.9,{"idx":2121,"utterance_id":2122,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2123,"start_s":2124,"end_s":2125,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},304,"17524","Eso allá en Minas Gerais.",1584.3,1586.06,{"idx":34,"utterance_id":2127,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2128,"start_s":2129,"end_s":2130,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},"17525","Y yo lo corregí.",1587.22,1587.9,{"idx":2132,"utterance_id":2133,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2134,"start_s":2135,"end_s":2136,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},306,"17526","Entonces dijeron: 'ese gobernador está subiendo los salarios, el Estado está quebrado'.",1588.62,1592.04,{"idx":2138,"utterance_id":2139,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2140,"start_s":2141,"end_s":2142,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},307,"17527","Ahora, ¿cómo atrae a gente competente?",1592.1,1593.86,{"idx":2144,"utterance_id":2145,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2146,"start_s":2147,"end_s":2148,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},308,"17528","¿Alguien querrá ser promovido a general si como mayor gana más?",1595.44,1599.6,{"idx":2150,"utterance_id":2151,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2152,"start_s":2153,"end_s":2154,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},309,"17529","Ellos dicen: 'déjenme aquí como mayor'.",1600.68,1602.44,{"idx":2156,"utterance_id":2157,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2158,"start_s":2159,"end_s":2160,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},310,"17530","Pero antes, no es que ganaran poco, no.",1604.08,1607.58,{"idx":2162,"utterance_id":2163,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2164,"start_s":2165,"end_s":2166,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},311,"17531","Antes engañaban a la gente, acomodándolos.",1607.82,1610.96,{"idx":2168,"utterance_id":2169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2170,"start_s":2171,"end_s":2172,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},312,"17532","otros cargos dentro de las estatales, de las subsidiarias, ¿entiende?",1611.58,1615.92,{"idx":28,"utterance_id":2174,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2175,"start_s":2176,"end_s":2177,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},"17533","Entonces, a decir verdad, eso era.",1616.42,1618.48,{"idx":2179,"utterance_id":2180,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2181,"start_s":2182,"end_s":2183,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},314,"17534","Y me gusta mucho, Bruno, y creo que a ti también, la transparencia.",1618.82,1622.7,{"idx":2185,"utterance_id":2186,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2187,"start_s":2188,"end_s":2189,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},315,"17535","Si tengo aquí a un secretario, ¿su salario es ese?",1623.34,1626.76,{"idx":2191,"utterance_id":2192,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2193,"start_s":2194,"end_s":2195,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},316,"17536","¿Es el salario correcto que todo secretario en Brasil recibe?",1627.04,1630.28,{"idx":2197,"utterance_id":2198,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2199,"start_s":2200,"end_s":2201,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},317,"17537","¿De Bahía, de São Paulo, de Río de Janeiro, de Río Grande del Sur?",1630.74,1634.24,{"idx":2203,"utterance_id":2204,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2205,"start_s":2206,"end_s":2207,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},318,"17538","No es diferente; en vez de decir que gana un poquito allí y por fuera está ganando no sé cuánto en consejo fiscal, en consejo de esto, de aquello, etc.",1634.64,1646.42,{"idx":2209,"utterance_id":2210,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2211,"start_s":2212,"end_s":2213,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},319,"17539","Entonces me criticaron mucho, recordando que soy un político antisistema, soy el que más recibe críticas, porque todo lo que está mal en la política lo critico, lo cuestiono.",1646.52,1658.16,{"idx":2215,"utterance_id":2216,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2217,"start_s":2218,"end_s":2219,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},320,"17540","Si fuera para hacer igual, me quedaría allí en mi zona de confort, ¿estás de acuerdo?",1658.78,1663.32,{"idx":2221,"utterance_id":2222,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2223,"start_s":2224,"end_s":2225,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},321,"17541","Está lleno de gente para hacer lo mismo que los políticos de siempre.",1663.66,1667.6,{"idx":2227,"utterance_id":2228,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2229,"start_s":2230,"end_s":2231,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},322,"17542","Estoy en la política para hacer algo diferente.",1668,1670.6,{"idx":2233,"utterance_id":2234,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2235,"start_s":2236,"end_s":2237,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":2238,"topic_label":2239,"target_id":2240,"target_proposition":2241,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":2242,"rationale":2243,"indexable":178},323,"17543","Entonces, tuvimos ese reajuste, que fue correcto.",1671.16,1675.28,"remuneracao-publica","Remuneración pública","78f13818-b919-447d-8d3a-93814c4d41d5","aumentar el salario de secretarios y del vicegobernador",0.84,"Defiende un reajuste para atraer competencia, reivindicando que fue correcto.",{"idx":2245,"utterance_id":2246,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2247,"start_s":2248,"end_s":2249,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},324,"17544","Eso ya tiene tres años, aproximadamente.",1675.56,1677.96,{"idx":2251,"utterance_id":2252,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2253,"start_s":2254,"end_s":2255,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},325,"17545","Entonces, la gente, de cierta manera, ya ha asimilado eso también y es lo correcto.",1678.42,1683.6,{"idx":2257,"utterance_id":2258,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2259,"start_s":2260,"end_s":2261,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},326,"17546","Porque tenía allí a un secretario que estaba haciendo de voluntario.",1684.1,1689.08,{"idx":2263,"utterance_id":2264,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2265,"start_s":2266,"end_s":2267,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},327,"17547","Lo que él ganaba, a veces, le alcanzaba para pagar el combustible y su almuerzo.",1689.26,1694.34,{"idx":2269,"utterance_id":2270,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":951,"start_s":2271,"end_s":2272,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},328,"17548",1695,1695.8,{"idx":2274,"utterance_id":2275,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2276,"start_s":2277,"end_s":2278,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},329,"17549","Entonces él decía: no, es mejor.",1695.84,1697.12,{"idx":2280,"utterance_id":2281,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2282,"start_s":2283,"end_s":2284,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},330,"17550","Algunos incluso se quedaron algunos años trabajando, algunos de ellos como voluntarios allí, ayudando a rescatar al Estado, digamos, por patriotismo.",1697.44,1706.6,{"idx":481,"utterance_id":2286,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2287,"start_s":2288,"end_s":2289,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":2290,"topic_label":2291,"target_id":2292,"target_proposition":2293,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":2294,"rationale":2295,"indexable":917},"17551","Y yo, desde el principio, siempre doy mi salario.",1707.22,1710.04,"etica-e-integridade-publica","Ética y integridad pública","6d04c910-d648-4c4b-bfd6-ef87c5d0eaab","donar los salarios del cargo público",0.76,"Reivindica haber donado su propio salario mientras los funcionarios no recibían pagos.",{"idx":2297,"utterance_id":2298,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2299,"start_s":2300,"end_s":2301,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},332,"17552","principalmente por la paz, ¿entiendes?",1710.66,1713.34,{"idx":2303,"utterance_id":2304,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2305,"start_s":2306,"end_s":2307,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},333,"17553","Tengo esa postura.",1714.18,1715.28,{"idx":2309,"utterance_id":2310,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2311,"start_s":2312,"end_s":2313,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},334,"17554","Prometí, cuando fui candidato, que donaría mi salario mientras los funcionarios públicos de Minas no recibieran su sueldo puntualmente.",1715.54,1723.28,{"idx":2315,"utterance_id":2316,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2317,"start_s":2318,"end_s":2319,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},335,"17555","Pero después de tres años puse los sueldos al día, todos los pagos al día, y aun así seguí donando.",1723.98,1731.14,{"idx":2321,"utterance_id":2322,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2323,"start_s":2324,"end_s":2325,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},336,"17556","Y aun me criticaron por haber aumentado mi salario.",1731.52,1734.28,{"idx":2327,"utterance_id":2328,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2329,"start_s":2330,"end_s":2331,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},337,"17557","Si donas tu salario, ¿qué beneficio tienes a la hora de aumentártelo?",1734.74,1738.24,{"idx":2333,"utterance_id":2334,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2335,"start_s":2336,"end_s":2337,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},338,"17558","Deberían ir allí a preguntar a las APAES si lo consideran bueno o malo, porque he donado a esa institución que me gusta y admiro muchísimo.",1738.82,1747.06,{"idx":2339,"utterance_id":2340,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2341,"start_s":2342,"end_s":2343,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},339,"17559","Entonces, tú eres... Ahora, las críticas en el sector público, ya me he acostumbrado, son parte.",1747.74,1753.74,{"idx":2345,"utterance_id":2346,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2347,"start_s":2348,"end_s":2349,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},340,"17560","En el sector privado las hay, en el público mucho más, porque todo el mundo... Allí no tienes competencia.",1754.9,1760.64,{"idx":2351,"utterance_id":2352,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2353,"start_s":2354,"end_s":2355,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},341,"17561","Yo digo que en el sector privado tienes competidores, ¿no es así?",1760.68,1763.2,{"idx":2357,"utterance_id":2358,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2359,"start_s":2360,"end_s":2361,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},342,"17562","En el sector público tienes algo... más fuerte, es un adversario.",1763.68,1768.2,{"idx":2363,"utterance_id":2364,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2365,"start_s":2366,"end_s":2367,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},343,"17563","Es gente que quiere destruirte, aunque por eso la población esté perdiendo.",1768.62,1774,{"idx":2369,"utterance_id":2370,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2371,"start_s":2372,"end_s":2373,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},344,"17564","Es una guerra muchas veces sucia a la que te enfrentas.",1774.56,1777.86,{"idx":2375,"utterance_id":2376,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2377,"start_s":2378,"end_s":2379,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},345,"17565","Pero mi coro se fue engrosando con el paso de los años y vamos absorbiendo estos impactos cada vez con menos dificultad.",1777.96,1787.14,{"idx":2381,"utterance_id":2382,"speaker_name":174,"text":2383,"start_s":2384,"end_s":2385,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},346,"17566","Cuando era más joven... me quedaba pensando: caramba, creo que es muy injusto que los políticos reciban sueldos, deberían ser personas voluntarias para hacer esto.",1787.72,1797.36,{"idx":2387,"utterance_id":2388,"speaker_name":174,"text":2389,"start_s":2390,"end_s":2391,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},347,"17567","Pero luego fui madurando y viendo que realmente sin una buena remuneración...",1798.16,1802.6,{"idx":2393,"utterance_id":2394,"speaker_name":174,"text":2395,"start_s":2396,"end_s":2397,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},348,"17568","no atraes a gente buena.",1802.64,1803.66,{"idx":2399,"utterance_id":2400,"speaker_name":174,"text":2401,"start_s":2402,"end_s":2403,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},349,"17569","Hoy conocemos a algunas personas que fueron parlamentarios a nivel estatal o federal y que no pretenden reelegirse.",1804.2,1811.1,{"idx":2405,"utterance_id":2406,"speaker_name":174,"text":2407,"start_s":2408,"end_s":2409,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},350,"17570","Porque el tipo durante cuatro años renunció a mucho dinero que podría haber ganado en el sector privado.",1811.72,1815.92,{"idx":2411,"utterance_id":2412,"speaker_name":174,"text":2413,"start_s":2414,"end_s":2415,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},351,"17571","Te digo, hombre, no compensa al final.",1816.54,1818,{"idx":2417,"utterance_id":2418,"speaker_name":174,"text":2419,"start_s":2420,"end_s":2421,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},352,"17572","Y eso que gana bien.",1818.34,1819.1,{"idx":2423,"utterance_id":2424,"speaker_name":174,"text":2425,"start_s":2426,"end_s":2427,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},353,"17573","Cuando la persona actúa de forma honesta, no está ganando, ¿no?",1819.14,1821.96,{"idx":2429,"utterance_id":2430,"speaker_name":174,"text":2431,"start_s":2432,"end_s":2433,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},354,"17574","Exacto.",1822.08,1822.88,{"idx":2435,"utterance_id":2436,"speaker_name":174,"text":2437,"start_s":2438,"end_s":2439,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},355,"17575","Porque si entras y empiezas a participar del juego de la política, entonces ganas bastante dinero.",1823.12,1828.92,{"idx":2441,"utterance_id":2442,"speaker_name":174,"text":2443,"start_s":2444,"end_s":2445,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},356,"17576","De forma indebida.",1829.42,1829.88,{"idx":2447,"utterance_id":2448,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2449,"start_s":2450,"end_s":2451,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":2452,"topic_label":2453,"target_id":2454,"target_proposition":2455,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1723,"rationale":2456,"indexable":178},357,"17577","Tengo secretarios en esa situación.",1829.98,1832.56,"politica-de-servicos","Política de servicios","49ec8820-1fb6-4560-93b0-4fe6b8d4def3","atraer y mantener gestores calificados en el servicio público","Relata que secretarios se van al sector privado por una remuneración menor en el sector público.",{"idx":2458,"utterance_id":2459,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2460,"start_s":2461,"end_s":2462,"word_count":412,"indexable":178},358,"17578","Algunos que ya se fueron dijeron: 'oiga, gobernador, voy a contribuir aquí tres años, cuatro años, ya hice mi contribución, ahora voy al sector privado, porque ahí voy a ganar cuatro, cinco, seis veces o incluso más que eso'.",1832.78,1845.86,{"idx":2464,"utterance_id":2465,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2466,"start_s":2467,"end_s":2468,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},359,"17579","Hoy tengo, te lo puedo afirmar, un secretario de salud que es médico; está en el gobierno ganando mucho menos de lo que ganaría como médico.",1846.5,1855.78,{"idx":2470,"utterance_id":2471,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2472,"start_s":2473,"end_s":2474,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},360,"17580","Está allí... como un voluntario, más o menos como yo estoy, ¿entiendes?",1856.78,1860.58,{"idx":2476,"utterance_id":2477,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2478,"start_s":2479,"end_s":2480,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":51,"topic_label":48,"target_id":2481,"target_proposition":2482,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1649,"rationale":2483,"indexable":178},361,"17581","Porque cree que puede contribuir y la salud en Minas está teniendo un avance extraordinario también con su gestión.",1860.62,1868,"d4c18721-325b-4de9-bb4d-4b5c231bab4b","expandir la red pública de salud","Atribuye el avance en salud a la gestión del secretario, reivindicando el resultado.",{"idx":2485,"utterance_id":2486,"speaker_name":174,"text":2487,"start_s":2488,"end_s":2489,"word_count":466,"indexable":178},362,"17582","¿Y crees que podrías hacer, Zema, para Brasil lo que hiciste por Minas, de tomar un estado con las finanzas muy malas, mejorar ese panorama, dar más eficiencia, hasta el punto, inclusive, de ser reconocido por los mineiros, porque no es fácil elegirse en la primera vuelta?",1868.34,1884.9,{"idx":2491,"utterance_id":2492,"speaker_name":174,"text":2493,"start_s":2494,"end_s":2495,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},363,"17583","¿Realmente crees que es posible cambiar Brasil?",1886.4,1888.18,{"idx":2497,"utterance_id":2498,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2499,"start_s":2500,"end_s":2501,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},364,"17584","Con toda certeza.",1888.92,1890.1,{"idx":2503,"utterance_id":2504,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2505,"start_s":2506,"end_s":2507,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},365,"17585","Y quiero aquí recordar, Bruno, que Minas es un estado bastante complejo.",1890.4,1894.54,{"idx":2509,"utterance_id":2510,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2511,"start_s":2512,"end_s":2513,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},366,"17586","Minas, 853 municipios, el estado de Brasil que más municipios tiene.",1895.52,1901.6,{"idx":2515,"utterance_id":2516,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2517,"start_s":2518,"end_s":2519,"word_count":253,"indexable":178},367,"17587","Minas tiene una parte que es como el Nordeste, no sé si conoces el Norte de Minas o no; allí se habla igual al baiano, con acento de Bahía.",1902.38,1910.98,{"idx":2521,"utterance_id":2522,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2523,"start_s":2524,"end_s":2525,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},368,"17588","Nuestra zona de mata, la región de Juiz de Fora, es como Río de Janeiro.",1911.82,1915.96,{"idx":2527,"utterance_id":2528,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2529,"start_s":2530,"end_s":2531,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},369,"17589","El sur de Minas aquí es como São Paulo.",1917.52,1919.88,{"idx":2533,"utterance_id":2534,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2535,"start_s":2536,"end_s":2537,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},370,"17590","Y el Triángulo Noroeste allí es como Goiás, que es mi región.",1921,1926.18,{"idx":2539,"utterance_id":2540,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2541,"start_s":2542,"end_s":2543,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},371,"17591","Entonces, somos un Estado; quizás ningún otro en Brasil sea tan heterogéneo en diversidad cultural y ambiental.",1927.44,1937.96,{"idx":2545,"utterance_id":2546,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2547,"start_s":2548,"end_s":2549,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},372,"17592","Tenemos Caatinga y tenemos, como en São Paulo, que a 100 kilómetros ya es el sur de Minas.",1938.58,1944.58,{"idx":2551,"utterance_id":2552,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2553,"start_s":2554,"end_s":2555,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},373,"17593","Así que es un estado más difícil de administrar.",1945.48,1948.54,{"idx":2557,"utterance_id":2558,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2559,"start_s":2560,"end_s":2561,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":1352,"target_proposition":1353,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1565,"rationale":2562,"indexable":178},374,"17594","Y tomamos un estado arruinado.",1948.74,1951.14,"Dice que al asumir había alcaldes sin transferencias, reclamando reparación.",{"idx":2564,"utterance_id":2565,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2566,"start_s":2567,"end_s":2568,"word_count":372,"indexable":178},375,"17595","Cuando asumí, en 2019, Bruno, en la primera semana como gobernador, mi oficina está en el cuarto piso; en el momento en que miré por la ventana, había allí unas 500 personas, 500 alcaldes, manifestándose.",1951.98,1967.8,{"idx":2570,"utterance_id":2571,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2572,"start_s":2573,"end_s":2574,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},376,"17596","queriendo recibir lo que el gobierno del PT les había robado.",1968.56,1974.42,{"idx":2576,"utterance_id":2577,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2578,"start_s":2579,"end_s":2580,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},377,"17597","Transferencias de ICMS, de IPVA, recursos de la educación, del Fundeb y también de la salud.",1974.94,1982.6,{"idx":2582,"utterance_id":2583,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2584,"start_s":2585,"end_s":2586,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},378,"17598","Tuvimos alcaldes en Minas que enfermaron, que renunciaron e incluso se suicidaron.",1983.2,1988.08,{"idx":2588,"utterance_id":2589,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2590,"start_s":2591,"end_s":2592,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},379,"17599","Porque no recibían lo que les correspondía.",1989.02,1991.48,{"idx":2594,"utterance_id":2595,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2596,"start_s":2597,"end_s":2598,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},380,"17600","Así que los alcaldes allí gritando, con trio elétrico, con megáfono: queremos lo que es nuestro.",1991.84,1996.92,{"idx":2600,"utterance_id":2601,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2602,"start_s":2603,"end_s":2604,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},381,"17601","Entonces, una situación realmente muy difícil.",1997.74,2001.34,{"idx":2606,"utterance_id":2607,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2608,"start_s":2609,"end_s":2610,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":2611,"target_proposition":2612,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":2613,"indexable":917},382,"17602","Y demostramos, después de siete años, que se puede revertir ese cuadro caótico.",2002.02,2008.88,"7e1f57a1-4c84-4147-8fc8-f96d6941530f","mejorar las finanzas públicas estatales","Afirma que revertieron un cuadro caótico en siete años, reivindicando acción.",{"idx":2615,"utterance_id":2616,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2617,"start_s":2618,"end_s":2619,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":2620,"target_proposition":2621,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1565,"rationale":2622,"indexable":917},383,"17603","Y es con gente competente, como te dije, con metas, con seguimiento.",2009.48,2013.98,"2e8a5e50-f04b-473b-bee8-4b47cc327d34","implementar la Ley de Responsabilidad Gerencial para la gestión de ciudades","Defiende que el progreso llegó con gente competente, metas y seguimiento.",{"idx":2624,"utterance_id":2625,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2626,"start_s":2627,"end_s":2628,"word_count":241,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":2629,"target_proposition":2630,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":2631,"indexable":917},384,"17604","No tuvimos un escándalo en mi gobierno, no tuvimos corrupción.",2014.6,2018.88,"69c8ebb4-f05b-4c7c-ad3a-e24fb0df873e","implementar medidas para prevenir la corrupción en la administración pública","Afirma no haber tenido escándalos en el gobierno, defendiendo un resultado anticorrupción.",{"idx":2633,"utterance_id":2634,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2635,"start_s":2636,"end_s":2637,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":2638,"topic_label":2639,"target_id":2640,"target_proposition":2641,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1770,"rationale":2642,"indexable":917},385,"17605","Fui criticado recientemente, ahora por causa de un vuelo que hice, que retrasé.",2020.48,2025.44,"transparencia-e-sigilo-institucional","Transparencia y sigilo institucional","9048f758-1722-4fbe-8c1c-e86b9b8e1f61","publicar íntegramente los gastos y actos del gobierno","Declara que todo lo que gastan va al portal de la transparencia.",{"idx":2644,"utterance_id":2645,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2646,"start_s":2647,"end_s":2648,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},386,"17606","¿Sabes por qué me criticaron?",2025.74,2027.24,{"idx":2650,"utterance_id":2651,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2652,"start_s":2653,"end_s":2654,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},387,"17607","Porque nosotros damos transparencia.",2027.28,2028.66,{"idx":2656,"utterance_id":2657,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2658,"start_s":2659,"end_s":2660,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},388,"17608","Todo lo que gasto hoy, cualquier equipo que use del Estado, como una aeronave, el próximo mes está en el portal de la transparencia de Minas Gerais.",2029.6,2039.36,{"idx":2662,"utterance_id":2663,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2664,"start_s":2665,"end_s":2666,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},389,"17609","Lo que el presidente gasta y usa, dentro de 100 años tu tataranieto se enterará.",2040.32,2045.66,{"idx":2668,"utterance_id":2669,"speaker_name":174,"text":2670,"start_s":2671,"end_s":2672,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},390,"17610","Quizás.",2046.1,2046.5,{"idx":2674,"utterance_id":2675,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2676,"start_s":2677,"end_s":2678,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},391,"17611","Quizás, ¿entiendes?",2046.88,2048.2,{"idx":2680,"utterance_id":2681,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2682,"start_s":2683,"end_s":2684,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},392,"17612","Entonces hay una diferencia brutal ahí.",2048.38,2051.4,{"idx":2686,"utterance_id":2687,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2688,"start_s":2689,"end_s":2690,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},393,"17613","Y tú, que vienes del mercado, sabes que una buena gestión rima con transparencia.",2052.68,2057.86,{"idx":2692,"utterance_id":2693,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2694,"start_s":2695,"end_s":2696,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},394,"17614","Porque cuando estás obligado a rendir cuentas, vas a hacer lo mejor y vas a hacer lo correcto.",2058.22,2064,{"idx":2698,"utterance_id":2699,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":402,"start_s":2700,"end_s":2701,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},395,"17615",2064.52,2065.1,{"idx":2703,"utterance_id":2704,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2705,"start_s":2706,"end_s":2707,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":1185,"target_proposition":1186,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":2708,"indexable":917},396,"17616","Entonces, allí en Minas hicimos ese avance y eso es lo que Brasil necesita.",2065.64,2071.08,"Afirma que el avance realizado en Minas es lo que Brasil necesita.",{"idx":2710,"utterance_id":2711,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2712,"start_s":2713,"end_s":2714,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":2611,"target_proposition":2612,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1315,"rationale":2715,"indexable":178},397,"17617","Pasamos de un déficit en la época del PT de 11 mil millones a un superávit en 2024 de 5 mil millones de reales.",2071.82,2082.02,"Presenta cifras de déficit a superávit como dato de resultado.",{"idx":2717,"utterance_id":2718,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2719,"start_s":2720,"end_s":2721,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},398,"17618","De menos 11 a más 5.",2082.72,2084.26,{"idx":2723,"utterance_id":2724,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2725,"start_s":2726,"end_s":2727,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},399,"17619","Con eso, el Estado volvió a tener condición de invertir en salud.",2085.22,2088.3,{"idx":2729,"utterance_id":2730,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2731,"start_s":2732,"end_s":2733,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},400,"17620","Recibí un gigantesco cementerio de obras abandonadas.",2089.06,2093.98,{"idx":2735,"utterance_id":2736,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2737,"start_s":2738,"end_s":2739,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},401,"17621","En el momento en que el PT dejó sin dinero, detuvo toda obra en el Estado.",2095.24,2098.82,{"idx":2741,"utterance_id":2742,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2743,"start_s":2744,"end_s":2745,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},402,"17622","Todo depredado.",2098.94,2099.96,{"idx":2747,"utterance_id":2748,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2749,"start_s":2750,"end_s":2751,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},403,"17623","Hospital que estaba casi listo.",2100.4,2102.26,{"idx":2753,"utterance_id":2754,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2755,"start_s":2756,"end_s":2757,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},404,"17624","Todo el mundo se llevó luminarias, aire acondicionado, cables.",2102.78,2106.64,{"idx":2759,"utterance_id":2760,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2761,"start_s":2762,"end_s":2763,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},405,"17625","Tienes que ver qué tristeza.",2106.68,2108.34,{"idx":2765,"utterance_id":2766,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2767,"start_s":2768,"end_s":2769,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},406,"17626","Lo concluimos todo.",2108.74,2109.86,{"idx":2771,"utterance_id":2772,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2773,"start_s":2774,"end_s":2775,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":2776,"topic_label":2777,"target_id":2778,"target_proposition":2779,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":2780,"indexable":917},407,"17627","Y voy a entregar a mi sucesor dentro de unos meses un sitio de obras en marcha.",2110.42,2116.58,"infraestrutura-e-saneamento","Infraestructura y saneamiento","a2b61106-9c14-4fa9-b9cf-6720c898c2dd","concluir obras públicas estatales en curso","Dice que dejará la obra con recursos depositados para su finalización.",{"idx":2782,"utterance_id":2783,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2784,"start_s":2785,"end_s":2786,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},408,"17628","Grande y, además, con los fondos depositados en cuenta para que él pueda concluir la obra.",2117.22,2123.96,{"idx":2788,"utterance_id":2789,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2790,"start_s":2791,"end_s":2792,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},409,"17629","Línea 2 del metro de Belo Horizonte.",2125.06,2127,{"idx":2794,"utterance_id":2795,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2796,"start_s":2797,"end_s":2798,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},410,"17630","Se pasó 22 años sin ampliar el metro de Belo Horizonte.",2127.04,2130.74,{"idx":2800,"utterance_id":2801,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2802,"start_s":2803,"end_s":2804,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},411,"17631","Hace 22 años que el metro de Belo Horizonte no había crecido ni un metro.",2131.56,2134.9,{"idx":2806,"utterance_id":2807,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2808,"start_s":2809,"end_s":2810,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":2811,"topic_label":2812,"target_id":2813,"target_proposition":2814,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":2294,"rationale":2815,"indexable":178},412,"17632","Vamos a entregar siete estaciones nuevas.",2135.54,2138.02,"mobilidade-urbana-e-logistica","Movilidad urbana y logística","f16a67e1-1fb0-4f6e-a03b-4b2acd7729c9","construir y concluir estaciones de metro","Afirma que van a entregar siete estaciones nuevas del metro.",{"idx":2817,"utterance_id":2818,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2819,"start_s":2820,"end_s":2821,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},413,"17633","El Rodoanel Metropolitano de São Paulo se está concluyendo ahora.",2138.8,2142.24,{"idx":2823,"utterance_id":2824,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2825,"start_s":2826,"end_s":2827,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},414,"17634","Sólo falta la licencia ambiental para que esta obra termine.",2142.68,2145.84,{"idx":2829,"utterance_id":2830,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2831,"start_s":2832,"end_s":2833,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},415,"17635","R$ 5 mil millones para su primera etapa.",2145.88,2148.42,{"idx":2835,"utterance_id":2836,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2837,"start_s":2838,"end_s":2839,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},416,"17636","Duplicación Belo Horizonte, Ouro Preto, Mariana, duplicación Belo Horizonte, Brumadinho y muchas otras obras que están allí, todo ya en el menú, todo planificado y todo con dinero, que es siempre la gran restricción en el sector público.",2149.54,2164.82,{"idx":2841,"utterance_id":2842,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2843,"start_s":2844,"end_s":2845,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},417,"17637","Entonces, sí, es posible.",2165.3,2166.84,{"idx":2847,"utterance_id":2848,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2849,"start_s":2850,"end_s":2851,"word_count":248,"topic_slug":46,"topic_label":42,"target_id":2852,"target_proposition":2853,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1860,"rationale":2854,"indexable":917},418,"17638","Ahora, lo que necesitamos en Brasil es gestión y no politiquería.",2167.14,2171.64,"9f4a9a85-5d9a-46bf-be0a-05ce152e2caf","priorizar la gestión técnica sobre el politiqueo en la administración pública","Declara la necesidad de gestión y no de politiquería para Brasil.",{"idx":2856,"utterance_id":2857,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2858,"start_s":2859,"end_s":2860,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},419,"17639","Entonces, allí en Minas demostramos que sí se puede sacar al Titanic del fondo del mar, sí.",2172.46,2177.06,{"idx":2862,"utterance_id":2863,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2864,"start_s":2865,"end_s":2866,"word_count":248,"topic_slug":2867,"topic_label":2868,"target_id":2869,"target_proposition":2870,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":2871,"indexable":917},420,"17640","Y nunca ha habido un empresario dirigiendo Brasil, un emprendedor, ¿estás de acuerdo?",2177.76,2181.78,"lideranca-e-gestao","Liderazgo y gestión","211cd3b0-1583-4cfd-aa97-41c24a2a75b7","elegir un presidente con perfil emprendedor y experiencia empresarial","Pregunta por qué no dar la oportunidad a un emprendedor para dirigir el país.",{"idx":2873,"utterance_id":2874,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2875,"start_s":2876,"end_s":2877,"word_count":266,"indexable":178},421,"17641","Abogado, no tengo nada en contra de los abogados, pero creo que ya ha habido demasiados abogados; sé que hubo médicos, inclusive Juscelino también era médico.",2182.66,2191.9,{"idx":2879,"utterance_id":2880,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2881,"start_s":2882,"end_s":2883,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},422,"17642","¿Por qué no podemos dar oportunidad a un emprendedor, a quien generó empleo, a quien sabe pensar...? ¿La empresa no necesita de Tarnarão, de vez en cuando, un sacudón?",2192.36,2203.16,{"idx":2885,"utterance_id":2886,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2887,"start_s":2888,"end_s":2889,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},423,"17643","Creo que Brasil también lo está necesitando.",2203.5,2205.34,{"idx":2891,"utterance_id":2892,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2893,"start_s":2894,"end_s":2895,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},424,"17644","¿No crees? Brasil ha estado yendo con el freno de mano puesto durante mucho tiempo.",2205.92,2210.14,{"idx":2897,"utterance_id":2898,"speaker_name":174,"text":2899,"start_s":2900,"end_s":2901,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},425,"17645","La gran cuestión es que ahí arriba vas a pasar por el Congreso Nacional, que es un gran problema.",2211.04,2217.96,{"idx":2903,"utterance_id":2904,"speaker_name":174,"text":2905,"start_s":2906,"end_s":2907,"word_count":266,"indexable":178},426,"17646","No sé si el gobernador tiene más poderes que un presidente comparando el ejecutivo federal y el estatal.",2218.36,2225.7,{"idx":2909,"utterance_id":2910,"speaker_name":174,"text":2911,"start_s":2912,"end_s":2913,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},427,"17647","Pero podemos decir que nuestro modelo democrático se ha vuelto cada vez más caro, ¿no?",2226.34,2230.3,{"idx":2915,"utterance_id":2916,"speaker_name":174,"text":2917,"start_s":2918,"end_s":2919,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},428,"17648","El Ejecutivo tiene que negociar todo el tiempo con el Legislativo.",2230.84,2233.3,{"idx":2921,"utterance_id":2922,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2923,"start_s":2924,"end_s":2925,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},429,"17649","Disfuncional.",2233.34,2234.26,{"idx":2927,"utterance_id":2928,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2929,"start_s":2930,"end_s":2931,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},430,"17650","Aquí, si fuera una empresa, sería como si el área de marketing fuera y hiciera un berrinche en el área de TI, en el área de recursos humanos.",2235.34,2244.7,{"idx":2933,"utterance_id":2934,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2935,"start_s":2936,"end_s":2937,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":2938,"topic_label":2939,"target_id":2940,"target_proposition":2941,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1762,"rationale":2942,"indexable":917},431,"17651","Ese STF, yo creo que podría recomendar cerrar el Banco Central, cerrar la Policía Federal, y asumirlo todo.",2244.8,2251.2,"instituicoes","Instituciones","80a0704f-55c3-4aa9-ba07-7ad2239d98ca","garantizar el respeto del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) a las decisiones del Ejecutivo y del Legislativo","Critica al STF por 'se intrometer em tudo' y defiende restringir su actuación.",{"idx":2944,"utterance_id":2945,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2946,"start_s":2947,"end_s":2948,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},432,"17652","Él lo sabe todo, ¿no?",2252.02,2253.46,{"idx":2950,"utterance_id":2951,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2952,"start_s":2953,"end_s":2954,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},433,"17653","Sabe hacer política monetaria mejor que el Banco Central, y sabe investigar mejor que la Policía Federal.",2255.62,2261.66,{"idx":2956,"utterance_id":2957,"speaker_name":174,"text":2958,"start_s":2959,"end_s":2960,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},434,"17654","Se está metiendo en todo.",2262.28,2263.86,{"idx":2962,"utterance_id":2963,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2964,"start_s":2965,"end_s":2966,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},435,"17655","Se está entrometiendo en todo.",2264.02,2265.28,{"idx":2968,"utterance_id":2969,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2970,"start_s":2971,"end_s":2972,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},436,"17656","También está legislando.",2265.32,2266.02,{"idx":2974,"utterance_id":2975,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2976,"start_s":2977,"end_s":2978,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},437,"17657","También legislando, cierra el Congreso Nacional también, legisla también.",2266.3,2269.72,{"idx":2980,"utterance_id":2981,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2982,"start_s":2983,"end_s":2984,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},438,"17658","Entonces, creo que ellos pueden con todo.",2269.98,2271.72,{"idx":2986,"utterance_id":2987,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2988,"start_s":2989,"end_s":2990,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},439,"17659","Tenemos allí una institución única en el mundo que consigue hacerlo todo.",2272.26,2276.86,{"idx":2992,"utterance_id":2993,"speaker_name":174,"text":2994,"start_s":2995,"end_s":2996,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},440,"17660","Pero entonces, suponiendo aquí, Zema, fuiste elegido presidente.",2278.04,2280.7,{"idx":2998,"utterance_id":2999,"speaker_name":174,"text":3000,"start_s":3001,"end_s":3002,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},441,"17661","¿Por dónde comenzarías el cambio de Brasil?",2282.66,2284.4,{"idx":3004,"utterance_id":3005,"speaker_name":174,"text":3006,"start_s":3007,"end_s":3008,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},442,"17662","¿Cuál crees que es el problema neurálgico que debería atacarse primero, entre los varios que existen?",2284.44,2289.42,{"idx":3010,"utterance_id":3011,"speaker_name":174,"text":3012,"start_s":3013,"end_s":3014,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":62,"topic_label":58,"target_id":3015,"target_proposition":3016,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1723,"rationale":3017,"indexable":178},443,"17663","Podemos decir que tenemos un billón de déficit nominal, cuando sumas el primario más los intereses de la deuda.",2289.62,2295.54,"3d1e5345-ced3-405f-8bbd-5b7d02959ffe","reducir el déficit público (contexto: déficit heredado)","Afirma que el país tiene cerca de R$1 billón de déficit, como constatación.",{"idx":3019,"utterance_id":3020,"speaker_name":174,"text":3021,"start_s":3022,"end_s":3023,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3024,"target_proposition":3025,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1098,"rationale":3026,"indexable":178},444,"17664","Somos un país con la productividad estancada desde la década de los 80, prácticamente.",2296.1,2299.94,"28f83076-957b-4d51-9022-5a9e27e8ed58","mejorar la productividad económica del país","Observa la estancación de la productividad desde la década de 80.",{"idx":3028,"utterance_id":3029,"speaker_name":174,"text":3030,"start_s":3031,"end_s":3032,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":3033,"topic_label":3034,"target_id":3035,"target_proposition":3036,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":3037,"rationale":3038,"indexable":178},445,"17665","El sistema de pensiones pasó por una reforma hace poco, pero tendrá que reformarse de nuevo en el futuro.",2300.46,2304.1,"previdencia","Previsión social","2fd987ce-6239-417c-af76-5e6488aa0ae5","realizar reforma de la seguridad social",0.65,"Afirma que el sistema de pensiones fue reformado, pero que podría necesitar una nueva reforma.",{"idx":3040,"utterance_id":3041,"speaker_name":174,"text":3042,"start_s":3043,"end_s":3044,"word_count":246,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3045,"target_proposition":3046,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":3047,"indexable":917},446,"17666","En educación, estamos en las peores posiciones en exámenes internacionales, estamos segundos en el ranking de los países 'neném', perdiendo solo ante Sudáfrica.",2304.88,2312.72,"7e5df0bb-d334-4657-85c6-dfcc6532853b","garantizar una educación pública de calidad","Informa bajo rendimiento en exámenes internacionales sin proponer una medida concreta.",{"idx":3049,"utterance_id":3050,"speaker_name":174,"text":3051,"start_s":3052,"end_s":3053,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},447,"17667","Hay una larga lista para mencionar aquí, pero ¿qué crees que debería atacarse primero?",2313.46,2317.02,{"idx":3055,"utterance_id":3056,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3057,"start_s":3058,"end_s":3059,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},448,"17668","Bruno, no creo en la bala de plata, en que atacar un problema resuelva la situación de Brasil.",2319.38,2330.72,{"idx":599,"utterance_id":3061,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3062,"start_s":3063,"end_s":3064,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":3065,"target_proposition":3066,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":3067,"indexable":178},"17669","Necesitas atacar en varias frentes.",2330.76,2332.66,"43134923-f14f-4dc8-bb80-378eddf4350d","implementar políticas de protección social para trabajadores y mujeres","Afirma explícitamente que 'você precisa atacar em várias frentes'.",{"idx":3069,"utterance_id":3070,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3071,"start_s":3072,"end_s":3073,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},450,"17670","Pero tenemos un problema... que en mi opinión tiene efecto dominó sobre varios otros.",2333.6,2340.08,{"idx":3075,"utterance_id":3076,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3077,"start_s":3078,"end_s":3079,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},451,"17671","Y en el momento en que corriges ese problema, automáticamente empiezas a corregir otros.",2340.42,2347.42,{"idx":3081,"utterance_id":3082,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3083,"start_s":3084,"end_s":3085,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},452,"17672","Digo que en Minas, cuando asumimos, el Estado estaba en un círculo vicioso.",2348.14,2353.08,{"idx":3087,"utterance_id":3088,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3089,"start_s":3090,"end_s":3091,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},453,"17673","La falta de dinero significaba escuelas en mal estado, comida escolar mala, alumnos sin interés en ir a la escuela.",2354.06,2363.3,{"idx":3093,"utterance_id":3094,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3095,"start_s":3096,"end_s":3097,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},454,"17674","Y en el momento en que empiezas a tener dinero, mejoras la estructura de la escuela, mejoras la comida escolar, el alumno comienza a querer asistir a clase.",2363.78,2372.36,{"idx":3099,"utterance_id":3100,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3101,"start_s":3102,"end_s":3103,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},455,"17675","Entonces sales de un círculo vicioso hacia un círculo virtuoso.",2373,2376.94,{"idx":606,"utterance_id":3105,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3106,"start_s":3107,"end_s":3108,"word_count":372,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":3109,"target_proposition":3110,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":3111,"indexable":917},"17676","Y Brasil, en el momento en que corrijas este tema del despilfarro del gobierno federal, creo que tú que sigues la economía estarás de acuerdo conmigo, empiezas a corregir una serie de otros problemas.",2377.9,2389.52,"dc89b696-57d7-43d2-8b28-4d789bc25628","reducir el crecimiento de los gastos públicos federales","Critica la 'gastança' y dice que corregirla resolverá otros problemas.",{"idx":3113,"utterance_id":3114,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3115,"start_s":3116,"end_s":3117,"word_count":430,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3118,"target_proposition":3119,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":3120,"indexable":917},457,"17677","Los grandes números hoy, yo creo, son una deuda del gobierno federal de 8 billones de reales; unos intereses del 15% sobre 8 billones significan 1 billón y 200 mil millones por año de pago solo de intereses, sin considerar todos los demás gastos.",2391.1,2413.14,"b1066307-2079-46cd-a8e8-557d31a5b7d2","reducir la deuda pública como proporción del PIB","Presenta cifras de la deuda y cálculo de intereses sin proponer acción inmediata.",{"idx":3122,"utterance_id":3123,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3124,"start_s":3125,"end_s":3126,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":3127,"target_proposition":3128,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":3129,"indexable":917},458,"17678","Porque tenemos un gobierno derrochador, gastador, que no tiene ninguna responsabilidad con el futuro.",2413.96,2421.72,"17b10bec-9084-4227-b49c-8c2cd40f1f4d","implementar responsabilidad fiscal en los gastos públicos federales","Llama al gobierno 'perdulário' y exige responsabilidad fiscal.",{"idx":3131,"utterance_id":3132,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3133,"start_s":3134,"end_s":3135,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},459,"17679","Y una deuda que se está encaminando a volverse incontrolable.",2422.66,2426.08,{"idx":3137,"utterance_id":3138,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3139,"start_s":3140,"end_s":3141,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},460,"17680","Quienes están en el mercado financiero saben eso.",2426.26,2428.92,{"idx":3143,"utterance_id":3144,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3145,"start_s":3146,"end_s":3147,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":3127,"target_proposition":3128,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":3148,"indexable":917},461,"17681","Cuando entre un gobierno y diga: 'vamos a ser serios con el gasto, cada año...',",2429.62,2436.14,"Propone directamente que el próximo gobierno 'seja sério com gasto'.",{"idx":3150,"utterance_id":3151,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3152,"start_s":3153,"end_s":3154,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":3155,"target_proposition":3156,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":3157,"indexable":917},462,"17682","si la inflación es del 3% yo solo voy a permitir que el gasto aumente un 2%.",2436.22,2439.92,"26a5acde-a996-4585-8d79-f588d2f475ce","limitar el crecimiento de los gastos públicos federales a un valor por debajo de la inflación","Define una regla explícita: si la inflación es 3% dejar que el gasto aumente 2%.",{"idx":3159,"utterance_id":3160,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3161,"start_s":3162,"end_s":3163,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3164,"target_proposition":3165,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":3166,"indexable":917},463,"17683","Mejoraremos las cuentas, esa tasa de interés caerá al menos a la mitad.",2441.7,2447.34,"e6a2a07d-0a1c-49c9-8834-5d0475590a62","reducir la tasa Selic","Afirma que la disciplina fiscal hará que la tasa de interés caiga a la mitad.",{"idx":3168,"utterance_id":3169,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3170,"start_s":3171,"end_s":3172,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},464,"17684","Caerá a un 7%.",2447.62,2450.18,{"idx":3174,"utterance_id":3175,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3176,"start_s":3177,"end_s":3178,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},465,"17685","Siempre he estado conversando con economistas por ahí.",2450.22,2452.32,{"idx":3180,"utterance_id":3181,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3182,"start_s":3183,"end_s":3184,"word_count":324,"indexable":178},466,"17686","Cuando una tasa de interés así cae, el gasto del gobierno en intereses caerá de 1 billón y 200 mil millones a la mitad.",2453.14,2463.06,{"idx":3186,"utterance_id":3187,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3188,"start_s":3189,"end_s":3190,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},467,"17687","Quedarán solo unos 600 mil millones por año.",2463.12,2465.62,{"idx":3192,"utterance_id":3193,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3194,"start_s":3195,"end_s":3196,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},468,"17688","Quedan por ahí solo 2 mil millones al día.",2465.7,2467.52,{"idx":3198,"utterance_id":3199,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3200,"start_s":3201,"end_s":3202,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},469,"17689","Empezará a sobrar para el gobierno federal.",2468.12,2471.04,{"idx":3204,"utterance_id":3205,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3206,"start_s":3207,"end_s":3208,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3209,"target_proposition":3210,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1860,"rationale":3211,"indexable":917},470,"17690","Entonces, con eso, tú, además de mejorar las finanzas públicas, también tendrás un impacto gigantesco en el sector privado.",2471.82,2481.48,"85019b26-4a45-4769-a7c5-43a86e3063e0","reducir la tasa de interés real","Dice que la caída de las tasas de interés permitirá a las empresas invertir y modernizarse.",{"idx":3213,"utterance_id":3214,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3215,"start_s":3216,"end_s":3217,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},471,"17691","Hay muchas empresas hoy que tienen maquinaria vieja, que necesitaba ser reemplazada, que están dispuestas a invertir, pero el área financiera dice que no se puede financiar con esa tasa de interés.",2482.54,2495.1,{"idx":3219,"utterance_id":3220,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3221,"start_s":3222,"end_s":3223,"word_count":291,"indexable":178},472,"17692","Pero cuando caiga al 7, al 6, al 5, y es posible, esas empresas invertirán, se modernizarán, serán más competitivas, serán más productivas, y mayor productividad significa mayores ingresos.",2495.92,2513.34,{"idx":3225,"utterance_id":3226,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3227,"start_s":3228,"end_s":3229,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},473,"17693","Y Brasil empieza a soltar ese freno de mano que ha estado puesto durante mucho tiempo.",2513.94,2519.06,{"idx":3231,"utterance_id":3232,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3233,"start_s":3234,"end_s":3235,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},474,"17694","Entonces, con la economía en marcha, la recaudación mejora.",2519.6,2522.56,{"idx":3237,"utterance_id":3238,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3239,"start_s":3240,"end_s":3241,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3242,"target_proposition":3243,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":3244,"indexable":917},475,"17695","Ahí tienes la condición de invertir más en educación: los municipios, los estados, la Unión, tienes la posibilidad de invertir más en seguridad pública y en salud.",2523.18,2535.78,"a9f9a5f8-f7cc-4679-88a6-0ac8027df684","aumentar inversiones en educación pública en Paraná","Afirma que con una mejor economía habrá posibilidad de invertir más en educación.",{"idx":3246,"utterance_id":3247,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3248,"start_s":3249,"end_s":3250,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":3109,"target_proposition":3110,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":3251,"indexable":917},476,"17696","Entonces digo que este problema del despilfarro del PT, de Lula, es un problema que hace que Brasil quede atascado.",2536.36,2546.14,"Critica a 'gastança do PT' y señala esto como un obstáculo para el país.",{"idx":3253,"utterance_id":3254,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3255,"start_s":3256,"end_s":3257,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},477,"17697","Y este problema es antiguo.",2546.18,2547.4,{"idx":3259,"utterance_id":3260,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3261,"start_s":3262,"end_s":3263,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},478,"17698","Aquí en Brasil parece que decir... ahorrar en el sector público es una mala palabra, es un insulto.",2548.08,2554.08,{"idx":3265,"utterance_id":3266,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":402,"start_s":3267,"end_s":3268,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},479,"17699",2554.12,2555.5,{"idx":3270,"utterance_id":3271,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3272,"start_s":3273,"end_s":3274,"word_count":298,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":3127,"target_proposition":3128,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":3275,"indexable":917},480,"17700","Todo el mundo solo quiere gastar, gastar; todo el mundo solo quiere otro pedazo de eso, nadie quiere apretarse el cinturón.",2556.46,2562.32,"Reprende la cultura de gasto excesivo y pide apretarse el cinturón.",{"idx":3277,"utterance_id":3278,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3279,"start_s":3280,"end_s":3281,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},481,"17701","Y ahí está, la inflación no está tan alta, pero esa tasa de interés está asfixiando y va a explotar la bomba.",2563,2570,{"idx":3283,"utterance_id":3284,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3285,"start_s":3286,"end_s":3287,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},482,"17702","Si no se hace algún cambio de forma voluntaria, se hará de mala manera.",2570.1,2574.32,{"idx":3289,"utterance_id":3290,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3291,"start_s":3292,"end_s":3293,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},483,"17703","Porque la deuda está tomando un rumbo incontrolable.",2575.26,2578.18,{"idx":3295,"utterance_id":3296,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3297,"start_s":3298,"end_s":3299,"word_count":291,"indexable":178},484,"17704","Deberías hablar con economistas de vez en cuando, ellos ya deben haber mencionado esto incluso de forma más clara de lo que yo estoy diciendo aquí, esa bomba de relojería que está armada aquí en Brasil.",2578.24,2590.18,{"idx":3301,"utterance_id":3302,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3303,"start_s":3304,"end_s":3305,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},485,"17705","Entonces digo que ese es el gran problema.",2590.76,2592.84,{"idx":3307,"utterance_id":3308,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3309,"start_s":3310,"end_s":3311,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},486,"17706","Es como si en una casa tuvieras una gotera, comida mala, colchón viejo, ropa que ya no le sirve a nadie.",2593.04,2601.6,{"idx":3313,"utterance_id":3314,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3315,"start_s":3316,"end_s":3317,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},487,"17707","Necesitas tener dinero para empezar a arreglar todo eso, ¿estás de acuerdo?",2601.64,2605.64,{"idx":3319,"utterance_id":3320,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3321,"start_s":3322,"end_s":3323,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},488,"17708","Sí.",2605.8,2606,{"idx":3325,"utterance_id":3326,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3327,"start_s":3328,"end_s":3329,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},489,"17709","¿No es así?",2606.32,2606.52,{"idx":3331,"utterance_id":3332,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3333,"start_s":3334,"end_s":3335,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},490,"17710","Entonces, lo primero es decir: vamos a empezar a ahorrar para que sobre dinero y podamos arreglar todos esos problemas.",2607.04,2613.4,{"idx":3337,"utterance_id":3338,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3339,"start_s":3340,"end_s":3341,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},491,"17711","Y poco a poco vas mejorando la educación, vas mejorando la salud.",2613.9,2617.84,{"idx":3343,"utterance_id":3344,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3345,"start_s":3346,"end_s":3347,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},492,"17712","Te diría que fue lo que hicimos en Minas.",2618.38,2620.46,{"idx":3349,"utterance_id":3350,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3351,"start_s":3352,"end_s":3353,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},493,"17713","Sin dinero no resuelves las cosas.",2621.82,2625.32,{"idx":3355,"utterance_id":3356,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3357,"start_s":3358,"end_s":3359,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},494,"17714","Si no cuidas las cuentas adecuadamente, no queda dinero para los hospitales.",2625.82,2630.94,{"idx":3361,"utterance_id":3362,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3363,"start_s":3364,"end_s":3365,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},495,"17715","No queda dinero para las escuelas, no queda dinero para las carreteras, ni para la seguridad.",2631.72,2636.76,{"idx":3367,"utterance_id":3368,"speaker_name":174,"text":3369,"start_s":3370,"end_s":3371,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},496,"17716","Esta cuestión financiera de los intereses aquí en Brasil, creo incluso que es relativamente fácil de arreglar.",2638.08,2644.18,{"idx":3373,"utterance_id":3374,"speaker_name":174,"text":3375,"start_s":3376,"end_s":3377,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},497,"17717","Porque tú dijiste, caramba, tenemos una tasa Selic del 15% y tenemos otras tasas de interés.",2644.82,2650.64,{"idx":3379,"utterance_id":3380,"speaker_name":174,"text":3381,"start_s":3382,"end_s":3383,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},498,"17718","De los títulos públicos que también están dentro de la deuda pública.",2651.22,2653.74,{"idx":3385,"utterance_id":3386,"speaker_name":174,"text":3387,"start_s":3388,"end_s":3389,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},499,"17719","Más o menos la mitad ligada a la Selic, que son unos 47%, para tomar el número más exacto, y el resto está con IPCA más algo, prefijados.",2653.92,2661.44,{"idx":3391,"utterance_id":3392,"speaker_name":174,"text":3393,"start_s":3394,"end_s":3395,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},500,"17720","Y la tasa a largo plazo también está muy alta.",2662.44,2665.26,{"idx":3397,"utterance_id":3398,"speaker_name":174,"text":3399,"start_s":3400,"end_s":3401,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},501,"17721","Está IPCA más 7 y algo.",2665.3,2667.14,{"idx":3403,"utterance_id":3404,"speaker_name":174,"text":3405,"start_s":3406,"end_s":3407,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},502,"17722","Y varios economistas que ya han venido a hablar dijeron que Brasil no aguanta eso mucho tiempo, porque con intereses del 15% la deuda en cinco años se duplica.",2667.42,2675.18,{"idx":3409,"utterance_id":3410,"speaker_name":174,"text":3411,"start_s":3412,"end_s":3413,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},503,"17723","Si todo fuera con intereses del 15%.",2675.64,2677.22,{"idx":3415,"utterance_id":3416,"speaker_name":174,"text":3417,"start_s":3418,"end_s":3419,"word_count":418,"indexable":178},504,"17724","Pero la mitad lo es, así que es mucho crecimiento, y no es solo que la deuda esté creciendo, porque se está haciendo más deuda, ya que en el primario el gobierno recauda una cantidad y gasta más de lo que recauda.",2678.46,2689.78,{"idx":3421,"utterance_id":3422,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3423,"start_s":3424,"end_s":3425,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},505,"17725","Tenemos un primario superavitario, ¿estás de acuerdo?",2689.84,2692.7,{"idx":3427,"utterance_id":3428,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3429,"start_s":3430,"end_s":3431,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},506,"17726","Además de la deuda, aún está el déficit primario.",2693.28,2695.98,{"idx":3433,"utterance_id":3434,"speaker_name":174,"text":3435,"start_s":3436,"end_s":3437,"word_count":32,"topic_slug":1350,"topic_label":1351,"target_id":3127,"target_proposition":3128,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":3438,"indexable":917},507,"17727","Pues sí, no conseguimos generar superávit, pero cuando entra alguien con una postura mucho más fiscalista, solo con que ese tipo mantenga esa postura, los intereses a largo plazo pueden desplomarse.",2696.02,2705.5,"Afirma que una postura fiscalista de un gobierno nuevo puede bajar las tasas de interés a largo plazo.",{"idx":3440,"utterance_id":3441,"speaker_name":174,"text":3442,"start_s":3443,"end_s":3444,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},508,"17728","Y entonces con eso comienzas... a tener financiamiento para la empresa con intereses más baratos a largo plazo.",2706.3,2710.5,{"idx":678,"utterance_id":3446,"speaker_name":174,"text":3447,"start_s":3448,"end_s":3449,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},"17729","Entonces, realmente, mejora la productividad de la economía.",2710.56,2713.42,{"idx":3451,"utterance_id":3452,"speaker_name":174,"text":3453,"start_s":3454,"end_s":3455,"word_count":253,"indexable":178},510,"17730","Y un dato que me parece absurdo, siempre que veo ese dato, de que no aumentamos productividad desde la década de los 80, pienso: caramba, pero llegó la mecanización.",2713.98,2720.86,{"idx":3457,"utterance_id":3458,"speaker_name":174,"text":3459,"start_s":3460,"end_s":3461,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},511,"17731","Llegaron un montón de tractores al campo.",2721.72,2723.22,{"idx":3463,"utterance_id":3464,"speaker_name":174,"text":3465,"start_s":3466,"end_s":3467,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},512,"17732","Antes eran las personas; cuando comenzó la mecanización, el campo se volvió mucho más productivo, por ejemplo.",2723.28,2727.22,{"idx":3469,"utterance_id":3470,"speaker_name":174,"text":3471,"start_s":3472,"end_s":3473,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},513,"17733","Has tenido computadoras, has tenido smartphones, has tenido robotización, has tenido IA.",2727.62,2731.3,{"idx":3475,"utterance_id":3476,"speaker_name":174,"text":3477,"start_s":3478,"end_s":3479,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},514,"17734","Y no hay más productividad.",2732.26,2733.52,{"idx":3481,"utterance_id":3482,"speaker_name":174,"text":3483,"start_s":3484,"end_s":3485,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},515,"17735","¿Cómo puede ser eso?",2734.22,2735.04,{"idx":3487,"utterance_id":3488,"speaker_name":174,"text":3489,"start_s":3490,"end_s":3491,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},516,"17736","El campo es más productivo, pero si allí está creciendo la productividad y al final no crecemos, eso quiere decir que...",2735.22,2740.06,{"idx":3493,"utterance_id":3494,"speaker_name":174,"text":3495,"start_s":3496,"end_s":3497,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},517,"17737","Estamos decayendo.",2740.1,2740.92,{"idx":3499,"utterance_id":3500,"speaker_name":174,"text":2004,"start_s":3501,"end_s":3502,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},518,"17738",2740.96,2741.5,{"idx":3504,"utterance_id":3505,"speaker_name":174,"text":3506,"start_s":3507,"end_s":3508,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},519,"17739","En varios otros aspectos no hemos conseguido producir más.",2741.56,2743.86,{"idx":3510,"utterance_id":3511,"speaker_name":174,"text":3512,"start_s":3513,"end_s":3514,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},520,"17740","Y eso es bizarro, porque la cantidad de tecnología que se ha agregado, y si hay una regla que podemos establecer en el mundo, es que si le das tecnología al hombre, produce más.",2744.82,2751.56,{"idx":3516,"utterance_id":3517,"speaker_name":174,"text":3518,"start_s":3519,"end_s":3520,"word_count":15,"indexable":178},521,"17741","Un tipo pescando con la mano es menos productivo que uno que usa una caña de pescar, que a su vez es menos productivo que uno que usa un barco.",2752.12,2757.76,{"idx":3522,"utterance_id":3523,"speaker_name":174,"text":3524,"start_s":3525,"end_s":3526,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},522,"17742","Más tecnología equivale a más producción.",2758.18,2759.56,{"idx":3528,"utterance_id":3529,"speaker_name":174,"text":3530,"start_s":3531,"end_s":3532,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},523,"17743","La tecnología avanzó muchísimo.",2759.96,2761.24,{"idx":3534,"utterance_id":3535,"speaker_name":174,"text":3536,"start_s":3537,"end_s":3538,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},524,"17744","Si tomo a un tipo de los años 80 y lo teletransporto aquí, es otro mundo.",2761.28,2764.14,{"idx":3540,"utterance_id":3541,"speaker_name":174,"text":3542,"start_s":3543,"end_s":3544,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},525,"17745","Y Brasil no logra producir más.",2764.74,2766.26,{"idx":3546,"utterance_id":3547,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3548,"start_s":3549,"end_s":3550,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},526,"17746","¿Y por qué?",2766.94,2767.38,{"idx":3552,"utterance_id":3553,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3554,"start_s":3555,"end_s":3556,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},527,"17747","Porque no invierte.",2767.56,2768.46,{"idx":3558,"utterance_id":3559,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3560,"start_s":3561,"end_s":3562,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},528,"17748","Porque necesitas capital.",2768.54,2770.06,{"idx":3564,"utterance_id":3565,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3321,"start_s":3566,"end_s":3567,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},529,"17749",2770.64,2770.98,{"idx":3569,"utterance_id":3570,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3571,"start_s":3572,"end_s":3573,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},530,"17750","Proyectos en otros países, ¿cuál es la tasa interna de retorno?",2771.78,2775.7,{"idx":3575,"utterance_id":3576,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3577,"start_s":3578,"end_s":3579,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},531,"17751","Si es 15%, todo el mundo invierte.",2775.78,2777.94,{"idx":3581,"utterance_id":3582,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3583,"start_s":3584,"end_s":3585,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},532,"17752","En Europa, Estados Unidos, ¿está de acuerdo?",2778.02,2780.08,{"idx":3587,"utterance_id":3588,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3321,"start_s":3589,"end_s":3590,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},533,"17753",2780.12,2780.16,{"idx":3592,"utterance_id":3593,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3594,"start_s":3595,"end_s":3596,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},534,"17754","Aquí, si es 15% todo el mundo dirá: dejo mi dinero rindiendo.",2780.9,2783.94,{"idx":3598,"utterance_id":3599,"speaker_name":174,"text":3600,"start_s":3601,"end_s":3602,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},535,"17755","Es, es mejor.",2783.98,2786.2,{"idx":3604,"utterance_id":3605,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3606,"start_s":3607,"end_s":3608,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},536,"17756","Y un punto todavía importante, Malu y Bruno, es que esto concentra muchísimo la renta.",2787.1,2793.66,{"idx":3610,"utterance_id":3611,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3612,"start_s":3613,"end_s":3614,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},537,"17757","Sí, muchísimo.",2793.86,2794.96,{"idx":3616,"utterance_id":3617,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3618,"start_s":3619,"end_s":3620,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},538,"17758","¿A dónde va ese dineral?",2795,2796.94,{"idx":796,"utterance_id":3622,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3623,"start_s":3624,"end_s":3625,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},"17759","A quien tiene 50 millones, 10, 100, 1.000 millones, 2.000 millones.",2797.46,2802.18,{"idx":3627,"utterance_id":3628,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3629,"start_s":3630,"end_s":3631,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},540,"17760","Ese personal se está riendo, está encantadísimo con este gobierno.",2802.42,2806.62,{"idx":3633,"utterance_id":3634,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3635,"start_s":3636,"end_s":3637,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},541,"17761","Ahora el pobre que cuenta... compra el teléfono celular en cuotas, compra la moto y el coche financiados, está pagando las cuotas de la vivienda propia, esos están sufriendo.",2807.06,2818.4,{"idx":3639,"utterance_id":3640,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3641,"start_s":3642,"end_s":3643,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},542,"17762","Yo digo que este gobierno da con una mano y quita con la otra.",2818.9,2822.22,{"idx":3645,"utterance_id":3646,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3647,"start_s":3648,"end_s":3649,"word_count":324,"topic_slug":29,"topic_label":26,"target_id":3650,"target_proposition":3651,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1770,"rationale":3652,"indexable":917},543,"17763","Porque lo que paga de intereses, ese 1 billón y 200 mil millones, es mucho más de lo que paga de Bolsa Família.",2822.98,2832.16,"ec087415-5f9a-4cb7-a300-bf2a4f0314e6","reducir pagos de intereses y priorizar transferencias sociales","Contrasta los gastos en intereses con la Bolsa Família, criticando la priorización de los rentistas.",{"idx":3654,"utterance_id":3655,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3656,"start_s":3657,"end_s":3658,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},544,"17764","Si no me equivoco, es del orden de 400, 600 mil millones.",2832.7,2837.1,{"idx":3660,"utterance_id":3661,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3662,"start_s":3663,"end_s":3664,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},545,"17765","Da mucho más dinero al rentista que al pobre que lo necesita.",2837.7,2842.48,{"idx":3666,"utterance_id":3667,"speaker_name":174,"text":3668,"start_s":3669,"end_s":3670,"word_count":345,"indexable":178},546,"17766","Y entonces, tomando dos problemas sobre los que quería oír su opinión, Zema, porque en la percepción del brasileño, incluso el actual presidente, ha ido perdiendo popularidad por eso.",2842.78,2853.1,{"idx":3672,"utterance_id":3673,"speaker_name":174,"text":3674,"start_s":3675,"end_s":3676,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},547,"17767","Los brasileños insisten mucho en el tema de la corrupción.",2853.2,2855.28,{"idx":3678,"utterance_id":3679,"speaker_name":174,"text":3680,"start_s":3681,"end_s":3682,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},548,"17768","Y hay también una sensación de que nada va a cambiar, ¿no?",2856.6,2858.84,{"idx":3684,"utterance_id":3685,"speaker_name":174,"text":3686,"start_s":3687,"end_s":3688,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},549,"17769","Vemos los mayores absurdos y es solo otro día normal en Brasil.",2859,2862.14,{"idx":3690,"utterance_id":3691,"speaker_name":174,"text":3692,"start_s":3693,"end_s":3694,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},550,"17770","Y el otro punto es la criminalidad.",2862.92,2864.4,{"idx":3696,"utterance_id":3697,"speaker_name":174,"text":3698,"start_s":3699,"end_s":3700,"word_count":430,"indexable":178},551,"17771","Tuvimos la operación hecha por el gobernador de Río de Janeiro, que generó mucha polémica, pero luego, cuando fueron a pedir la opinión de la gente, los moradores de la comunidad, los más afectados por la operación y por la criminalidad, eran quienes más aprobaban la operación.",2865.02,2877.8,{"idx":3702,"utterance_id":3703,"speaker_name":174,"text":3704,"start_s":3705,"end_s":3706,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},552,"17772","Pero incluso con este tipo de operación, la percepción también es que Brasil, si no lo es, está a las puertas de convertirse en un narco-estado.",2878.5,2884.94,{"idx":3708,"utterance_id":3709,"speaker_name":174,"text":3710,"start_s":3711,"end_s":3712,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},553,"17773","Miramos a México y pensamos: México es un narco-estado.",2885.96,2888.64,{"idx":3714,"utterance_id":3715,"speaker_name":174,"text":3716,"start_s":3717,"end_s":3718,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},554,"17774","Creo que el mexicano mira hacia aquí y piensa lo mismo.",2888.72,2890.62,{"idx":3720,"utterance_id":3721,"speaker_name":174,"text":3722,"start_s":3723,"end_s":3724,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},555,"17775","Entonces quería escuchar su opinión sobre esos puntos.",2891.98,2894.16,{"idx":3726,"utterance_id":3727,"speaker_name":174,"text":3728,"start_s":3729,"end_s":3730,"word_count":406,"indexable":178},556,"17776","Cómo combatir la corrupción, que parece endémica, algo arraigado en la política brasileña, y cómo también disminuir la criminalidad, dado que hoy ya tenemos, incluso, la criminalidad infiltrándose en las mayores esferas de poder de Brasil.",2894.38,2909.52,{"idx":3732,"utterance_id":3733,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3734,"start_s":3735,"end_s":3736,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},557,"17777","Bueno, Bruno, vamos a hablar.",2911.84,2913.02,{"idx":3738,"utterance_id":3739,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3740,"start_s":3741,"end_s":3742,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},558,"17778","de la corrupción primero, creo que corrupción.",2913.52,2916.18,{"idx":3744,"utterance_id":3745,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3746,"start_s":3747,"end_s":3748,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3749,"target_proposition":3750,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":3751,"indexable":917},559,"17779","primero usted tiene que tener tolerancia cero.",2916.32,2919.18,"7e293b71-be32-4313-9e39-ace5b8287c87","retomar la agenda anticorrupción","Declara 'primeiro você tem de ter uma tolerância zero' explícitamente.",{"idx":3753,"utterance_id":3754,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3755,"start_s":3756,"end_s":3757,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3758,"target_proposition":3759,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":3760,"indexable":178},560,"17780","Transparencia, que mencioné hace un momento.",2920.46,2922.64,"089162b0-6461-477f-9749-87ff0f25f9f7","aumentar la transparencia de los gastos públicos","Defiende explícitamente la transparencia de los gastos públicos.",{"idx":3762,"utterance_id":3763,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3764,"start_s":3765,"end_s":3766,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},561,"17781","Fundamental, ¿está de acuerdo?",2923.28,2924.62,{"idx":3768,"utterance_id":3769,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3770,"start_s":3771,"end_s":3772,"word_count":266,"indexable":178},562,"17782","Si una empresa de capital abierto, el accionista no sabe lo que los CEOs, los directores ganan y están gastando, se va a convertir en una zona.",2925.38,2935.02,{"idx":3774,"utterance_id":3775,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3327,"start_s":3776,"end_s":3777,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},563,"17783",2935.74,2936.12,{"idx":3779,"utterance_id":3780,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3781,"start_s":3782,"end_s":3783,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},564,"17784","Tiene que haber seguimiento del consejo de administración.",2936.7,2939.86,{"idx":3785,"utterance_id":3786,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3787,"start_s":3788,"end_s":3789,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},565,"17785","Entonces, aquí en Brasil, tenemos que acabar con esas cajas negras que existen dentro del sector público.",2940.48,2946.04,{"idx":833,"utterance_id":3791,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3792,"start_s":3793,"end_s":3794,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},"17786","El presidente puede gastar, no sé qué.",2946.08,2948.14,{"idx":3796,"utterance_id":3797,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3798,"start_s":3799,"end_s":3800,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":3801,"topic_label":3802,"target_id":3803,"target_proposition":3804,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":3805,"indexable":917},567,"17787","El único gasto, en mi opinión, que debe ser confidencial es el relativo a la seguridad del país.",2948.84,2955.28,"transparencia-fiscal","Transparencia fiscal","7d9b6728-9726-4165-adfd-62d34754fa02","divulgar gastos y actos del gobierno de forma pública y transparente","Dice que solo los gastos de seguridad deben ser confidenciales.",{"idx":3807,"utterance_id":3808,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3809,"start_s":3810,"end_s":3811,"word_count":266,"indexable":178},568,"17788","Si el país compró un arma allá, está colocando una base en la frontera con Venezuela, está bien, por una cuestión de seguridad nacional.",2956.22,2963.96,{"idx":3813,"utterance_id":3814,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3815,"start_s":3816,"end_s":3817,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},569,"17789","Pero fuera de eso, hay que mostrar todo lo que se gasta.",2964.14,2967.66,{"idx":3819,"utterance_id":3820,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3821,"start_s":3822,"end_s":3823,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},570,"17790","Y aquí en Brasil no se muestra.",2967.7,2969.2,{"idx":3825,"utterance_id":3826,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3827,"start_s":3828,"end_s":3829,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3830,"target_proposition":3831,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":3832,"indexable":178},571,"17791","Y reglas también, que yo digo duras.",2969.68,2972.68,"a76d77ef-8251-40cc-abc2-eb6853eda01d","investigar y castigar prácticas de corrupción en la administración pública","Pide 'regras duras' y el fin de cajas negras en el sector público.",{"idx":3834,"utterance_id":3835,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3836,"start_s":3837,"end_s":3838,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},572,"17792","Soy gobernador de un estado, Bruno, que tiene 300.000 empleados públicos.",2973.68,2978.54,{"idx":3840,"utterance_id":3841,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3842,"start_s":3843,"end_s":3844,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},573,"17793","¿Sabes cuántos parientes tengo en la nómina?",2978.58,2981.56,{"idx":3846,"utterance_id":3847,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3848,"start_s":3849,"end_s":3850,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},574,"17794","Cero.",2981.78,2982.12,{"idx":3852,"utterance_id":3853,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3854,"start_s":3855,"end_s":3856,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},575,"17795","¿Sabes cuántos parientes míos prestan servicios al Estado?",2983.08,2988.02,{"idx":3858,"utterance_id":3859,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3860,"start_s":3861,"end_s":3862,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},576,"17796","Cero también.",2988.44,2989.24,{"idx":3864,"utterance_id":3865,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3866,"start_s":3867,"end_s":3868,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},577,"17797","Creo que tenemos que tener ese tipo de rigidez en el sector público.",2990.2,2993.42,{"idx":3870,"utterance_id":3871,"speaker_name":174,"text":3872,"start_s":3873,"end_s":3874,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},578,"17798","¿Tienes algún pariente fiscalizando también?",2993.46,2995.14,{"idx":3876,"utterance_id":3877,"speaker_name":174,"text":3878,"start_s":3879,"end_s":3880,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},579,"17799","Porque en varios estados es así: el que fiscaliza al gobernador es la propia esposa.",2995.18,2998.2,{"idx":3882,"utterance_id":3883,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3884,"start_s":3885,"end_s":3886,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},580,"17800","No, tampoco tengo.",2998.36,2999.64,{"idx":3888,"utterance_id":3889,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3890,"start_s":3891,"end_s":3892,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},581,"17801","No nombré a ningún pariente para el Tribunal de Cuentas del Estado, que es otra cosa común aquí en Brasil.",2999.94,3005.28,{"idx":3894,"utterance_id":3895,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3896,"start_s":3897,"end_s":3898,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},582,"17802","No tengo ningún pariente que sea juez.",3006.32,3008.14,{"idx":3900,"utterance_id":3901,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3902,"start_s":3903,"end_s":3904,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},583,"17803","desembargador tampoco, incluso me enorgullece ser el gobernador de Minas que más nombró mujeres para el Tribunal de Justicia, desembargadoras, cinco o seis que ya nombré.",3008.54,3020.74,{"idx":3906,"utterance_id":3907,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3908,"start_s":3909,"end_s":3910,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},584,"17804","Ninguna pariente, todas seleccionadas, entrevisté a una por una.",3021.08,3024.6,{"idx":3912,"utterance_id":3913,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3914,"start_s":3915,"end_s":3916,"word_count":241,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":3917,"target_proposition":3918,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":3919,"indexable":917},585,"17805","Entonces, creo que necesitamos separar lo público de lo privado.",3025.48,3028.36,"fb0a4066-460c-40e7-b4dc-7e89e0a73bd2","separar intereses públicos y privados y fiscalizar conflictos de interés","Defiende separar lo público de lo privado y fiscalizar a quienes ocupan cargos.",{"idx":3921,"utterance_id":3922,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3923,"start_s":3924,"end_s":3925,"word_count":430,"indexable":178},586,"17806","Ahora, en el momento en que el ministro del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal), su mujer, tiene un contrato, parece, para cobrar 3 millones al mes de un banco que solo está cometiendo fraude, eso para mí es de república bananera, donde ocurre ese tipo de cosa.",3029,3044.66,{"idx":3927,"utterance_id":3928,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3929,"start_s":3930,"end_s":3931,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},587,"17807","Si ocurre, no en un país serio.",3044.74,3046.36,{"idx":3933,"utterance_id":3934,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3935,"start_s":3936,"end_s":3937,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},588,"17808","Si eso ocurriera en Japón, pienso que la persona incluso se habría suicidado, porque allí hay honor.",3047.18,3053.58,{"idx":3939,"utterance_id":3940,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3941,"start_s":3942,"end_s":3943,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},589,"17809","Parece que aquí no tenemos eso.",3053.9,3055.8,{"idx":3945,"utterance_id":3946,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3947,"start_s":3948,"end_s":3949,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},590,"17810","Aquí ni siquiera la gente siente vergüenza de pedir la dimisión.",3056.68,3061.98,{"idx":3951,"utterance_id":3952,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3953,"start_s":3954,"end_s":3955,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":2629,"target_proposition":2630,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":3956,"indexable":917},591,"17811","Entonces creo que tenemos que empezar a moralizar.",3062.58,3065.4,"Afirma que el combate exige 'bons exemplos' y 'leis rígidas'.",{"idx":3958,"utterance_id":3959,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3960,"start_s":3961,"end_s":3962,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},592,"17812","Y para eso se necesitan buenos ejemplos.",3065.92,3068.12,{"idx":3964,"utterance_id":3965,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3966,"start_s":3967,"end_s":3968,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},593,"17813","Y es lo que yo también, además de no nombrar parientes, hice allá en Minas.",3068.74,3071.7,{"idx":3970,"utterance_id":3971,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3972,"start_s":3973,"end_s":3974,"word_count":324,"indexable":178},594,"17814","El exgobernador del PT, que es el gobierno, el partido que dice ser todo por lo social, vivía en un palacio con 32 empleadas, gobernantas, camareros, cocineros.",3073.34,3085.88,{"idx":3976,"utterance_id":3977,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3978,"start_s":3979,"end_s":3980,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},595,"17815","Ida y vuelta al trabajo todos los días en helicóptero.",3087.12,3090.74,{"idx":3982,"utterance_id":3983,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3984,"start_s":3985,"end_s":3986,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},596,"17816","El gobierno del PT es eso, ¿entiende?",3091.62,3094.18,{"idx":3988,"utterance_id":3989,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3990,"start_s":3991,"end_s":3992,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},597,"17817","Alquilé una casa, que pago el alquiler, tengo una empleada a la que pago de mi bolsillo, voy y vuelvo todos los días en coche, porque además conseguí una casa cerca de mi lugar de trabajo.",3094.7,3108.3,{"idx":3994,"utterance_id":3995,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":3996,"start_s":3997,"end_s":3998,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},598,"17818","Entonces ese gobierno del todo por lo social suele dar el ejemplo contrario, y eso contamina.",3109.86,3115.84,{"idx":4000,"utterance_id":4001,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4002,"start_s":4003,"end_s":4004,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},599,"17819","Si el presidente hace eso, el ministro quiere hacerlo.",3116.3,3119.16,{"idx":4006,"utterance_id":4007,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4008,"start_s":4009,"end_s":4010,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},600,"17820","Si el presidente hace eso, no sé quién allí quiere hacer igual.",3119.88,3123.28,{"idx":4012,"utterance_id":4013,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4014,"start_s":4015,"end_s":4016,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},601,"17821","Y cuando yo lo hago, exijo que mi equipo haga lo mismo.",3124.08,3127.48,{"idx":4018,"utterance_id":4019,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4020,"start_s":4021,"end_s":4022,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},602,"17822","Entonces, creo que a la corrupción se comienza a combatir con buenos ejemplos y con leyes rígidas también.",3128.38,3134.4,{"idx":4024,"utterance_id":4025,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4026,"start_s":4027,"end_s":4028,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":2629,"target_proposition":2630,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":4029,"indexable":917},603,"17823","Fachin está allí en el STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) queriendo imponer un código de ética y parece que nadie quiere un código de ética.",3135.62,3142.32,"Cita apoyo a un código de ética para miembros del STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) y autoridades.",{"idx":4031,"utterance_id":4032,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4033,"start_s":4034,"end_s":4035,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},604,"17824","¿Para qué?",3144.36,3144.68,{"idx":4037,"utterance_id":4038,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4039,"start_s":4040,"end_s":4041,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},605,"17825","Porque parece que se están beneficiando de esa zona que existe allí.",3144.8,3147.94,{"idx":4043,"utterance_id":4044,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4045,"start_s":4046,"end_s":4047,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},606,"17826","El otro tiene al hermano, que es socio allí del Master, también tiene negocios con el Master.",3148.9,3154.7,{"idx":4049,"utterance_id":4050,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4051,"start_s":4052,"end_s":4053,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},607,"17827","Entonces, es necesario separar lo público de lo privado.",3155.26,3159.06,{"idx":4055,"utterance_id":4056,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4057,"start_s":4058,"end_s":4059,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},608,"17828","Quien tiene un cargo público debería hacer una declaración, ser mucho más fiscalizado que quien es del privado.",3159.62,3167.2,{"idx":4061,"utterance_id":4062,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4063,"start_s":4064,"end_s":4065,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},609,"17829","Vengo del privado igual que usted, tenía fiscal allí todos los días del ICMS, de la Receita Federal, del Banco Central, del municipio.",3168.24,3176.36,{"idx":4067,"utterance_id":4068,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4069,"start_s":4070,"end_s":4071,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},610,"17830","Ahora el sujeto es ministro, ¿no puede ser fiscalizado?",3177.38,3180.44,{"idx":4073,"utterance_id":4074,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4075,"start_s":4076,"end_s":4077,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},611,"17831","Debería ser más, está tratando con dinero público, ¿está de acuerdo?",3181,3184.1,{"idx":4079,"utterance_id":4080,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4081,"start_s":4082,"end_s":4083,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},612,"17832","Si usted está en el privado, el límite del daño que puede causar es sobre sus recursos.",3184.96,3191.32,{"idx":4085,"utterance_id":4086,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4087,"start_s":4088,"end_s":4089,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},613,"17833","El límite que él puede causar allí es Brasil entero.",3191.82,3194.76,{"idx":4091,"utterance_id":4092,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4093,"start_s":4094,"end_s":4095,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},614,"17834","Entonces debería ser mucho más fiscalizado.",3195.52,3197.28,{"idx":4097,"utterance_id":4098,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4099,"start_s":4100,"end_s":4101,"word_count":241,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4102,"target_proposition":4103,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1860,"rationale":4104,"indexable":917},615,"17835","Y con respecto a la criminalidad, es un poco en esa misma línea.",3198.12,3201.68,"8790c3c6-f0d7-44e4-ba8d-d59e67ab76ac","aumentar el rigor en la lucha contra la delincuencia y el encarcelamiento de criminales","Asocia la lucha contra la criminalidad con la necesidad de mayor rigidez en la actuación.",{"idx":4106,"utterance_id":4107,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4108,"start_s":4109,"end_s":4110,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},616,"17836","ahí, hace falta rigidez.",3201.72,3203,{"idx":4112,"utterance_id":4113,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4114,"start_s":4115,"end_s":4116,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},617,"17837","Me gusta mucho citar un caso bastante extraordinario que tuvimos en 2021, en Minas Gerais, pero para mostrar que tiene efecto didáctico sí.",3203.94,3216.58,{"idx":4118,"utterance_id":4119,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4120,"start_s":4121,"end_s":4122,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},618,"17838","En 2021, en la ciudad de Varginha, la inteligencia de nuestra policía detectó que una hacienda... Fue alquilada por 28 hombres y todo indicaba que tenían allí un arsenal de guerra.",3216.62,3234.38,{"idx":4124,"utterance_id":4125,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4126,"start_s":4127,"end_s":4128,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},619,"17839","La policía fue a comprobar y fue recibida a tiros.",3236.3,3240.18,{"idx":4130,"utterance_id":4131,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4132,"start_s":4133,"end_s":4134,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},620,"17840","Resultado final, 28 criminales muertos.",3241.54,3246.08,{"idx":4136,"utterance_id":4137,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4138,"start_s":4139,"end_s":4140,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4102,"target_proposition":4103,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":4141,"indexable":917},621,"17841","Cuando actúas de esa manera, parece que empiezas a dejar el mensaje claro.",3247.4,3252.44,"Justifica la acción policial letal como forma de dar un mensaje a los criminales.",{"idx":4143,"utterance_id":4144,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4145,"start_s":4146,"end_s":4147,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},622,"17842","No vengas a hacer otro cangaço aquí.",3253.26,3256.16,{"idx":4149,"utterance_id":4150,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4151,"start_s":4152,"end_s":4153,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},623,"17843","Ese personal es especialista en volar agencias bancarias, cajeros automáticos, utilizar escudos humanos.",3256.82,3264.74,{"idx":4155,"utterance_id":4156,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4157,"start_s":4158,"end_s":4159,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},624,"17844","Ponen a una persona encima del capó para realizar esas acciones, de forma que la policía no dispare, porque es como si allí hubiese un rehén.",3265.94,3273.6,{"idx":4161,"utterance_id":4162,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4163,"start_s":4164,"end_s":4165,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},625,"17845","¿Y desde entonces, sabes qué pasó con esas acciones del nuevo cangaço en Minas?",3273.66,3280.06,{"idx":4167,"utterance_id":4168,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4169,"start_s":4170,"end_s":4171,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},626,"17846","En 2016, llegamos a tener 260 incidentes de ese tipo de acción.",3281.12,3286.48,{"idx":4173,"utterance_id":4174,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4175,"start_s":4176,"end_s":4177,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},627,"17847","El año pasado tuvimos uno.",3286.76,3288.26,{"idx":4179,"utterance_id":4180,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4181,"start_s":4182,"end_s":4183,"word_count":324,"indexable":178},628,"17848","Entonces, cuando dejas claro que el crimen será castigado, que el crimen no será tolerado, le mandas un mensaje al delincuente.",3289.42,3299.74,{"idx":4185,"utterance_id":4186,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4187,"start_s":4188,"end_s":4189,"word_count":372,"indexable":178},629,"17849","Ahora, cuando tienes un presidente que dice que el bandido es víctima de la sociedad, entonces él se siente, creo yo, con muchas ganas de actuar, y eso es lo que ha estado pasando en Brasil.",3300.46,3310.04,{"idx":4191,"utterance_id":4192,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4193,"start_s":4194,"end_s":4195,"word_count":229,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4196,"target_proposition":4197,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":4198,"indexable":917},630,"17850","Por eso necesitamos endurecer las leyes aquí.",3310.54,3314.86,"fa6bfe10-aa0d-4087-aedc-3bceeb0430d1","endurecer la ley penal","Dice explícitamente que 'precisamos tornar as leis mais rígidas'.",{"idx":4200,"utterance_id":4201,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4202,"start_s":4203,"end_s":4204,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4205,"target_proposition":4206,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":4207,"indexable":917},631,"17851","Un delincuente no recibe a la policía con diálogo ni con un ramo de flores, recibe a la policía con balas.",3315.76,3323.68,"2f4e76ea-09cf-4eef-8044-6d1ac4e29c43","usar fuerza policial para detener o neutralizar a delincuentes","Afirma que la policía debe responder con 'bala', no con diálogo.",{"idx":4209,"utterance_id":4210,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4211,"start_s":4212,"end_s":4213,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},632,"17852","Y cuando la policía responde, hay gente que critica.",3324.22,3327,{"idx":4215,"utterance_id":4216,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4217,"start_s":4218,"end_s":4219,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},633,"17853","Y el lugar del delincuente, por lo que yo sé, es la cárcel.",3327.82,3330.8,{"idx":4221,"utterance_id":4222,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4223,"start_s":4224,"end_s":4225,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4102,"target_proposition":4103,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":4226,"indexable":917},634,"17854","Y no con tobilleras en la calle, un delincuente que ofrece algún grado de riesgo para la sociedad, como muchas veces ha sucedido en Brasil.",3331.42,3342.12,"Defiende prisión en lugar de tobillera electrónica para delincuentes de riesgo.",{"idx":4228,"utterance_id":4229,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4230,"start_s":4231,"end_s":4232,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},635,"17855","Y hoy tenemos una de las legislaciones, Bruno, más permisivas del mundo.",3342.66,3348.3,{"idx":4234,"utterance_id":4235,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4236,"start_s":4237,"end_s":4238,"word_count":266,"indexable":178},636,"17856","Puedo mandarte luego el expediente de una persona de Belo Horizonte que ya robó... más de 80 celulares y está suelto.",3349.12,3358.82,{"idx":4240,"utterance_id":4241,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4242,"start_s":4243,"end_s":4244,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},637,"17857","Roba, pasa un día detenido y en la audiencia de custodia el juez lo libera, porque todavía no tiene ninguna condena firme.",3359.58,3371.28,{"idx":63,"utterance_id":4246,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4247,"start_s":4248,"end_s":4249,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},"17858","Y va repitiendo, se volvió una profesión.",3372.48,3374.78,{"idx":4251,"utterance_id":4252,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4253,"start_s":4254,"end_s":4255,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},639,"17859","Robar celulares muchas veces es el primer paso para que mañana esté armado y empiece a matar también.",3375.6,3382.14,{"idx":4257,"utterance_id":4258,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4259,"start_s":4260,"end_s":4261,"word_count":383,"indexable":178},640,"17860","Entonces Brasil se ha ido transformando en una escuela de criminales por culpa de un gobierno permisivo, un gobierno que piensa que la persona no tiene libre albedrío para elegir, que piensa que es víctima de la sociedad.",3382.92,3399.56,{"idx":4263,"utterance_id":4264,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4265,"start_s":4266,"end_s":4267,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},641,"17861","Todo el mundo tiene libre albedrío.",3400.2,3401.54,{"idx":4269,"utterance_id":4270,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4271,"start_s":4272,"end_s":4273,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},642,"17862","Quien fue al crimen es porque en determinado momento optó por eso.",3401.98,3406.16,{"idx":4275,"utterance_id":4276,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4277,"start_s":4278,"end_s":4279,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},643,"17863","Así que lo que realmente necesitamos es endurecer.",3406.8,3410.74,{"idx":4281,"utterance_id":4282,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4283,"start_s":4284,"end_s":4285,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},644,"17864","Esta 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ninguna guerra en el mundo que mate tanto como aquí.",3424.3,3427.48,{"idx":4317,"utterance_id":4318,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4319,"start_s":4320,"end_s":4321,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},650,"17870","Creo que ni aunque se matara a todos, se mata tanto como se mata aquí en Brasil.",3427.56,3431.52,{"idx":4323,"utterance_id":4324,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4325,"start_s":4326,"end_s":4327,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},651,"17871","Entonces, es un país que... necesita cambiar.",3432.46,3435.32,{"idx":4329,"utterance_id":4330,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4331,"start_s":4332,"end_s":4333,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},652,"17872","Y eso tiene un costo gigantesco para la sociedad.",3435.36,3439.16,{"idx":4335,"utterance_id":4336,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4337,"start_s":4338,"end_s":4339,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},653,"17873","Primero, un costo social.",3439.26,3440.5,{"idx":4341,"utterance_id":4342,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4343,"start_s":4344,"end_s":4345,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},654,"17874","¿Cuántas madres, cuántas familias son destrozadas porque pierden a sus hijos?",3441.3,3446.32,{"idx":4347,"utterance_id":4348,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4349,"start_s":4350,"end_s":4351,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},655,"17875","¿Te has imaginado qué tristeza?",3446.9,3448.22,{"idx":4353,"utterance_id":4354,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4355,"start_s":4356,"end_s":4357,"word_count":356,"indexable":178},656,"17876","Quedan afectadas, traumatizadas, sin condiciones de hacer nada, porque perder a un padre que sustenta hijos, o a un hijo, algo así, tiene un costo gigantesco para el Estado en salud.",3449.54,3462.7,{"idx":4359,"utterance_id":4360,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4361,"start_s":4362,"end_s":4363,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},657,"17877","Cuántas personas son atendidas por tiroteos, traumatizadas por persecuciones, etc.",3463.52,3470.34,{"idx":4365,"utterance_id":4366,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4367,"start_s":4368,"end_s":4369,"word_count":241,"topic_slug":3033,"topic_label":3034,"target_id":4370,"target_proposition":4371,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":4372,"indexable":178},658,"17878","Además hay un costo para la Seguridad Social, cuántos quedan inválidos.",3470.6,3476.24,"0f1ec626-3e67-48fc-9b21-aa0b91729956","garantizar financiamiento de la Previsión Social","Relata el costo para la Seguridad Social por invalidez sin proponer política.",{"idx":4374,"utterance_id":4375,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4376,"start_s":4377,"end_s":4378,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4379,"target_proposition":4380,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":4381,"indexable":917},659,"17879","Recibió un disparo en la columna, le amputaron un miembro por culpa de esa rivalidad, de esa guerra.",3477.36,3484.78,"424702f4-da2d-4263-a4f2-3e4721f70058","reducir la violencia armada","Describe heridas causadas por rivalidad sin proponer acción concreta.",{"idx":4383,"utterance_id":4384,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4385,"start_s":4386,"end_s":4387,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4379,"target_proposition":4380,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":4388,"indexable":178},660,"17880","Entonces, el costo para Brasil es gigantesco.",3485.26,3487.5,"Afirma que el costo de la violencia para Brasil es gigantesco, sin propuesta.",{"idx":4390,"utterance_id":4391,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4392,"start_s":4393,"end_s":4394,"word_count":241,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4379,"target_proposition":4380,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":4395,"indexable":178},661,"17881","Y se pierde, generalmente, a hombres jóvenes que están en edad productiva.",3488.08,3492.14,"Relata la pérdida de jóvenes en edad productiva debido a la violencia.",{"idx":4397,"utterance_id":4398,"speaker_name":174,"text":4399,"start_s":4400,"end_s":4401,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4402,"target_proposition":4403,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":4404,"indexable":917},662,"17882","Realmente, la criminalidad es un problema que está entre los más urgentes en Brasil.",3494.6,3499.48,"b1287094-4941-493f-9b6d-acae0c36f29b","reducir la criminalidad en las calles","Declara la criminalidad como un problema urgente sin proponer medida específica.",{"idx":4406,"utterance_id":4407,"speaker_name":174,"text":4408,"start_s":4409,"end_s":4410,"word_count":185,"topic_slug":24,"topic_label":20,"target_id":4411,"target_proposition":4412,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1657,"rationale":4413,"indexable":178},663,"17883","Sobre todo porque es un negocio hiper-rentable.",3500.2,3502.88,"82e778a7-791d-4ea4-bfce-a7aaada91f29","combatir al crimen organizado","Afirma que es un negocio muy rentable, contextualiza el fenómeno.",{"idx":4415,"utterance_id":4416,"speaker_name":174,"text":4417,"start_s":4418,"end_s":4419,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":4420,"target_proposition":4421,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":4422,"rationale":4423,"indexable":178},664,"17884","Quién sabe si no están manejando el país desde los bastidores.",3503.56,3505.62,"83ed6fea-e412-41d9-895c-97b3daf36996","investigar acuerdos entre gobernantes y organizaciones criminales",0.55,"Sugiere poder de los criminales detrás de escena sin proponer acción explícita.",{"idx":4425,"utterance_id":4426,"speaker_name":174,"text":4427,"start_s":4428,"end_s":4429,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":35,"topic_label":31,"target_id":4430,"target_proposition":4431,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1657,"rationale":4432,"indexable":178},665,"17885","Porque dije el otro día, lo que Vorcaro hizo con unos cuantos miles de millones demostró que no es tan caro comprar un país.",3506.24,3510.94,"6d813853-f2d4-42fd-95ab-2decac02d65f","investigar y responsabilizar a políticos por corrupción","Cita el caso como evidencia de compra del país, sin recomendar medida legal.",{"idx":4434,"utterance_id":4435,"speaker_name":174,"text":4436,"start_s":4437,"end_s":4438,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},666,"17886","Y entonces mi suegra dijo: 'bah, es un tipo inteligente'.",3512.7,3516.02,{"idx":4440,"utterance_id":4441,"speaker_name":174,"text":4442,"start_s":4443,"end_s":4444,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},667,"17887","Yo dije: no, lo atraparon.",3516.12,3517.2,{"idx":4446,"utterance_id":4447,"speaker_name":174,"text":4448,"start_s":4449,"end_s":4450,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},668,"17888","El verdaderamente inteligente es alguien que hace eso y que nadie conoce.",3517.84,3520.36,{"idx":4452,"utterance_id":4453,"speaker_name":174,"text":4454,"start_s":4455,"end_s":4456,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},669,"17889","Probablemente tengamos varios que no estamos viendo.",3520.48,3523.5,{"idx":4458,"utterance_id":4459,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4460,"start_s":4461,"end_s":4462,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},670,"17890","Madoff fue más inteligente, porque él tardó como 40 años en ser atrapado, ¿no?",3523.56,3528.08,{"idx":4464,"utterance_id":4465,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4466,"start_s":4467,"end_s":4468,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},671,"17891","El suyo fue qué?",3528.42,3529.18,{"idx":4470,"utterance_id":4471,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4472,"start_s":4473,"end_s":4474,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},672,"17892","¿Unos 8?",3529.3,3529.94,{"idx":4476,"utterance_id":4477,"speaker_name":174,"text":4478,"start_s":4479,"end_s":4480,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},673,"17893","No sé cuánto tiempo tardó.",3530.64,3532.8,{"idx":4482,"utterance_id":4483,"speaker_name":174,"text":4484,"start_s":4485,"end_s":4486,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},674,"17894","Cayó por la crisis de 2008.",3532.84,3534.48,{"idx":4488,"utterance_id":4489,"speaker_name":174,"text":4490,"start_s":4491,"end_s":4492,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},675,"17895","El mercado cayó, la gente quería el dinero de vuelta y no había para todos.",3534.52,3538.08,{"idx":4494,"utterance_id":4495,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4496,"start_s":4497,"end_s":4498,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},676,"17896","Pero creo que ambos eran algo así como esquemas piramidales, ¿no?",3538.14,3541.26,{"idx":4500,"utterance_id":4501,"speaker_name":174,"text":4502,"start_s":4503,"end_s":4504,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},677,"17897","Aquí uno montó con un CDB, el otro era un servicio de rentabilidad allá, pero era un esquema parecido, si lo piensas.",3541.8,3548.42,{"idx":4506,"utterance_id":4507,"speaker_name":174,"text":4508,"start_s":4509,"end_s":4510,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},678,"17898","Y Madoff son unos 40 años, ¿no?",3548.92,3550.74,{"idx":4512,"utterance_id":4513,"speaker_name":174,"text":4514,"start_s":4515,"end_s":4516,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},679,"17899","Porque él estuvo allí...",3550.88,3551.68,{"idx":4518,"utterance_id":4519,"speaker_name":174,"text":4520,"start_s":4521,"end_s":4522,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},680,"17900","No sé si fueron 40, en Estados Unidos.",3551.84,3554.02,{"idx":4524,"utterance_id":4525,"speaker_name":174,"text":4526,"start_s":4527,"end_s":4528,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},681,"17901","Fue el mayor esquema piramidal del mundo, el de Madoff.",3554.1,3557.48,{"idx":4530,"utterance_id":4531,"speaker_name":174,"text":4532,"start_s":4533,"end_s":4534,"word_count":298,"indexable":178},682,"17902","Y es un tipo que ayudó a crear una de las bolsas americanas, la Nasdaq, fue presidente de la Nasdaq.",3558.14,3562.32,{"idx":4536,"utterance_id":4537,"speaker_name":174,"text":4538,"start_s":4539,"end_s":4540,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},683,"17903","Vimos un documental sobre él.",3563.62,3565.66,{"idx":4542,"utterance_id":4543,"speaker_name":174,"text":4544,"start_s":4545,"end_s":4546,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},684,"17904","Muy bueno.",3565.88,3566.3,{"idx":4548,"utterance_id":4549,"speaker_name":174,"text":4550,"start_s":4551,"end_s":4552,"word_count":268,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4553,"target_proposition":4554,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1657,"rationale":4555,"indexable":178},685,"17905","En cuanto a la educación, Zema, ¿por qué crees que Brasil no progresa en educación?",3566.8,3570.78,"baa06254-a794-493b-b6f0-e64731c8e081","mejorar índices educativos municipales","Pregunta por qué Brasil no progresa en educación, sin proponer acción.",{"idx":4557,"utterance_id":4558,"speaker_name":174,"text":4559,"start_s":4560,"end_s":4561,"word_count":345,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4553,"target_proposition":4554,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":4562,"indexable":917},686,"17906","Si quieres que un país se desarrolle, sea más productivo, eso generalmente sucede porque la gente recibe educación, tiene buenas ideas, emprende en ese país.",3570.98,3581.52,"Vincula la educación al desarrollo sin presentar una política concreta.",{"idx":4564,"utterance_id":4565,"speaker_name":174,"text":4566,"start_s":4567,"end_s":4568,"word_count":15,"topic_slug":4569,"topic_label":4570,"target_id":4571,"target_proposition":4572,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":3037,"rationale":4573,"indexable":178},687,"17907","Si el ambiente es amigable para eso, si hay propiedad privada, si tienen la claridad de que el resultado será suyo, si hay más seguridad jurídica, pero todo parte de la educación.",3582.68,3593.3,"ambiente-de-negocios","Ambiente de negocios","a8f1a989-55a6-4428-b329-b71b695c438b","garantizar seguridad jurídica y protección de la propiedad privada","Enumera seguridad jurídica y propiedad como condiciones para el emprendimiento.",{"idx":4575,"utterance_id":4576,"speaker_name":174,"text":4577,"start_s":4578,"end_s":4579,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4553,"target_proposition":4554,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":4580,"indexable":178},688,"17908","Y en Brasil la educación es lamentable.",3593.38,3595.28,"Afirma que la educación en Brasil es lamentable, sin proponer medida específica.",{"idx":4582,"utterance_id":4583,"speaker_name":174,"text":4584,"start_s":4585,"end_s":4586,"word_count":345,"indexable":178},689,"17909","Cuando era militar, hacíamos una prueba de redacción para elegir a los soldados que iban a hacer curso para convertirse en cabos, que era el grado siguiente.",3596.12,3604.66,{"idx":4588,"utterance_id":4589,"speaker_name":174,"text":4590,"start_s":4591,"end_s":4592,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},690,"17910","Y entonces yo tomaba a un soldado que estaba en la facultad de ingeniería, de administración, el tipo hacía una redacción.",3605.34,3610.64,{"idx":4594,"utterance_id":4595,"speaker_name":174,"text":4596,"start_s":4597,"end_s":4598,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},691,"17911","20 líneas, con un solo punto.",3610.66,3612.92,{"idx":4600,"utterance_id":4601,"speaker_name":174,"text":4602,"start_s":4603,"end_s":4604,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},692,"17912","Empezaba aquí, coma, coma, coma, sólo había un punto final allá.",3613.84,3616.66,{"idx":4606,"utterance_id":4607,"speaker_name":174,"text":4608,"start_s":4609,"end_s":4610,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},693,"17913","Todo escrito mal.",3617.44,3618.46,{"idx":4612,"utterance_id":4613,"speaker_name":174,"text":4614,"start_s":4615,"end_s":4616,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},694,"17914","Universitario.",3618.58,3619.62,{"idx":60,"utterance_id":4618,"speaker_name":174,"text":4619,"start_s":4620,"end_s":4621,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},"17915","Y el tipo es universitario.",3619.8,3621.24,{"idx":4623,"utterance_id":4624,"speaker_name":174,"text":4625,"start_s":4626,"end_s":4627,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4553,"target_proposition":4554,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":4628,"indexable":917},696,"17916","Así que ese es el nivel de educación de Brasil hoy.",3622.2,3624.12,"Resume el nivel de educación como bajo con un ejemplo práctico.",{"idx":4630,"utterance_id":4631,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4632,"start_s":4633,"end_s":4634,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},697,"17917","Bruno, si fuera fácil, alguien ya lo habría arreglado.",3627.46,3632,{"idx":4636,"utterance_id":4637,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4638,"start_s":4639,"end_s":4640,"word_count":234,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3045,"target_proposition":3046,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":4641,"indexable":917},698,"17918","Pero yo que he estado al frente del gobierno de Minas durante siete años, hemos avanzado en educación.",3632.76,3639.86,"Reclama avances en la educación durante su gobierno (acción propia).",{"idx":4643,"utterance_id":4644,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4645,"start_s":4646,"end_s":4647,"word_count":248,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3045,"target_proposition":3046,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1565,"rationale":4648,"indexable":917},699,"17919","Como comenté aquí, reformamos más de 2.500 edificios escolares, reformas grandes.",3640.38,3646.66,"Cita la reforma de más de 2.500 edificios escolares como acción del gobierno.",{"idx":4650,"utterance_id":4651,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4652,"start_s":4653,"end_s":4654,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4655,"target_proposition":4656,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":4657,"indexable":178},700,"17920","Necesitas tener una buena estructura física.",3646.7,3649.12,"9e38e5b9-6372-46cb-9d9d-dedc9102d421","mejorar la infraestructura de las escuelas estatales","Dice explícitamente que 'você precisa ter uma estrutura física boa'.",{"idx":4659,"utterance_id":4660,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4661,"start_s":4662,"end_s":4663,"word_count":266,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4655,"target_proposition":4656,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":4664,"indexable":178},701,"17921","Tenemos lugares en Brasil, en Minas, creo que eso ya no existe más, donde la gente da clases en un lugar totalmente improvisado.",3650.56,3661.06,"Describe clases en locales improvisados sin formular una nueva política.",{"idx":4666,"utterance_id":4667,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4668,"start_s":4669,"end_s":4670,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},702,"17922","Parece que estás invitando al alumno a no ir, a sentarse en una cajita.",3662.52,3666.18,{"idx":4672,"utterance_id":4673,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4674,"start_s":4675,"end_s":4676,"word_count":229,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4655,"target_proposition":4656,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":4677,"indexable":917},703,"17923","Primero, creo que necesitas toda esa infraestructura.",3667.22,3670.88,"Declara 'você precisa ter' infraestructura, defendiendo una acción concreta.",{"idx":4679,"utterance_id":4680,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4681,"start_s":4682,"end_s":4683,"word_count":253,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3045,"target_proposition":3046,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":4684,"indexable":917},704,"17924","Pusimos Wi-Fi en todo, CF, TV por cuestión de seguridad, una merienda que yo me obligo a almorzar cuando voy al interior, que no es muy diferente de la de mi casa.",3671.1,3682.68,"Enumera medidas implementadas (Wi‑Fi, merienda) como acciones de gobierno.",{"idx":4686,"utterance_id":4687,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4688,"start_s":4689,"end_s":4690,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4691,"target_proposition":4692,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":4693,"indexable":917},705,"17925","Para que te hagas una idea, el PT (Partido de los Trabajadores), en 2018, invirtió en merienda escolar 20 millones.",3683.08,3690.02,"593bc98d-8347-4486-86f9-d4485015abfe","aumentar los fondos para la merienda escolar","Compara inversiones y reclama un aumento de fondos para la merienda.",{"idx":4695,"utterance_id":4696,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4697,"start_s":4698,"end_s":4699,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},706,"17926","El año pasado nosotros invertimos 470.",3690.22,3691.7,{"idx":4701,"utterance_id":4702,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4703,"start_s":4704,"end_s":4705,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},707,"17927","De 20 a 470.",3693.62,3694.38,{"idx":4707,"utterance_id":4708,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4709,"start_s":4710,"end_s":4711,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},708,"17928","Se puede ver cómo... No había nada de calidad antes.",3695.42,3698.96,{"idx":4713,"utterance_id":4714,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4715,"start_s":4716,"end_s":4717,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},709,"17929","Multiplicar por 23 veces un presupuesto de merienda quiere decir que se servía una porquería.",3699,3706.28,{"idx":4719,"utterance_id":4720,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4721,"start_s":4722,"end_s":4723,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},710,"17930","Y era verdad.",3706.5,3707.34,{"idx":4725,"utterance_id":4726,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4727,"start_s":4728,"end_s":4729,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":3045,"target_proposition":3046,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1315,"rationale":4730,"indexable":178},711,"17931","Así que hoy esa merienda es muy buena.",3707.38,3710.54,"Afirma que la merienda mejoró en su gobierno, reclamando ese resultado.",{"idx":54,"utterance_id":4732,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4733,"start_s":4734,"end_s":4735,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},"17932","Pero eso es lo básico.",3711.14,3712.4,{"idx":4737,"utterance_id":4738,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4739,"start_s":4740,"end_s":4741,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},713,"17933","Eso no quiere decir que los niños vayan a aprender.",3712.48,3714.48,{"idx":4743,"utterance_id":4744,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4745,"start_s":4746,"end_s":4747,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4748,"target_proposition":4749,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":4750,"indexable":917},714,"17934","Lo que necesitamos, y tú que vienes del mundo de las fuerzas armadas, del mundo militar, lo sabes muy bien.",3715.26,3723.72,"90fbc205-35f0-4cd4-ae08-c330766f3a24","aumentar la disciplina y la formación de valores en las escuelas públicas","Declara 'o que nós precisamos' es disciplina y aprender principios.",{"idx":4752,"utterance_id":4753,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4754,"start_s":4755,"end_s":4756,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},715,"17935","y lo que falta en las escuelas de Brasil se llama disciplina, se llama aprender principios.",3724.62,3732.54,{"idx":4758,"utterance_id":4759,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4760,"start_s":4761,"end_s":4762,"word_count":490,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4763,"target_proposition":4764,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":4765,"indexable":178},716,"17936","En Brasil, lo que tenemos hoy, hablo mucho con algunas maestras, son alumnos que a veces provienen de familias más humildes, que incluso reciben Bolsa Família, y la maestra dice: 'no viene', en el momento en que se alerta a la madre, puede dejar de recibir Bolsa Família y ella empieza a preocuparse un poco.",3733.98,3755.24,"55d17592-66d4-4a72-866d-183fedf1e092","mantener y ampliar beneficios sociales condicionados a la asistencia escolar","Relata que alerta que la asistencia afecta a la Bolsa Família, sin proponer ley.",{"idx":4767,"utterance_id":4768,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4769,"start_s":4770,"end_s":4771,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4763,"target_proposition":4764,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":4772,"indexable":917},717,"17937","Entonces, en mi opinión, todo padre, toda madre debería ser responsable, reciba o no Bolsa Família, por la asistencia de sus hijos.",3756.68,3765.66,"Defiende responsabilizar a los padres por la asistencia de sus hijos para recibir el beneficio.",{"idx":4774,"utterance_id":4775,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4776,"start_s":4777,"end_s":4778,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4763,"target_proposition":4764,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":4779,"indexable":917},718,"17938","Igual que necesitas estar al día con tus pagos de impuestos, también debes estar al día con la asistencia de tu hijo a la escuela.",3766.78,3775.56,"compara la asistencia escolar con obligaciones civiles, apoyando condicionamientos.",{"idx":4781,"utterance_id":4782,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":951,"start_s":4783,"end_s":4784,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},719,"17939",3775.6,3776.52,{"idx":4786,"utterance_id":4787,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4788,"start_s":4789,"end_s":4790,"word_count":9,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4763,"target_proposition":4764,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":4791,"indexable":917},720,"17940","Creo que en un país donde la gente todavía no tiene ese sentimiento de la importancia de asistir a la escuela, necesitamos endurecer un poco la norma.",3776.92,3787.32,"defiende endurecer las reglas de asistencia escolar de forma explícita.",{"idx":4793,"utterance_id":4794,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4795,"start_s":4796,"end_s":4797,"word_count":356,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4763,"target_proposition":4764,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":4798,"indexable":917},721,"17941","Decir: tu hijo tiene que asistir al menos al 80% de las clases, de lo contrario, no estás al día con tus obligaciones como ciudadano, como votar, como prestar el servicio militar, etc.",3787.88,3800.86,"propone un 80% de asistencia y sanciones administrativas\u002Fcívicas en caso contrario.",{"idx":4800,"utterance_id":4801,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4802,"start_s":4803,"end_s":4804,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":56,"topic_label":53,"target_id":4763,"target_proposition":4764,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":4805,"indexable":917},722,"17942","Así que soy medio dura, de línea dura, porque si no no cambias las cosas.",3800.96,3805.06,"afirma una postura de línea dura para cambiar el comportamiento de los padres.",{"idx":4807,"utterance_id":4808,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4809,"start_s":4810,"end_s":4811,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},723,"17943","Hay padres que están ahí sólo bebiendo, y no sé qué, drogándose, madres igual, y no quieren saber nada del hijo?",3805.78,3814.66,{"idx":4813,"utterance_id":4814,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4815,"start_s":4816,"end_s":4817,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},724,"17944","Si trajiste un hijo al mundo, tienes una obligación.",3815.14,3817.08,{"idx":4819,"utterance_id":4820,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4821,"start_s":4822,"end_s":4823,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},725,"17945","Si no quieres, pásaselo al abuelo para que lo haga, entonces, a tu madre, a tu padre.",3818.04,3821.8,{"idx":4825,"utterance_id":4826,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4827,"start_s":4828,"end_s":4829,"word_count":274,"topic_slug":4830,"topic_label":4831,"target_id":4832,"target_proposition":4833,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":4834,"indexable":917},726,"17946","Y otro punto: necesitamos cambiar la estructura, la forma en que muchos sindicatos actúan en la educación.",3822.8,3831.42,"direitos-trabalhistas","Derechos Laborales","6e8d0a16-1812-4a6e-b0d5-f8e4878b853c","reformular la actuación de los sindicatos en la educación","defiende cambiar la forma de actuación de los sindicatos en el área educativa.",{"idx":4836,"utterance_id":4837,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4838,"start_s":4839,"end_s":4840,"word_count":324,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4841,"target_proposition":4842,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":4843,"indexable":917},727,"17947","El año pasado, allá en Minas, queríamos escuchar, lo dejaré muy claro aquí, hacer una audiencia pública para la implantación de una escuela cívico-militar en todo el Estado.",3832.84,3846.7,"8a88e973-f3d5-4938-bf0c-8d321d200303","implementar escuelas cívico-militares en las escuelas públicas","afirma la intención de realizar audiencias públicas para la implantación cívico‑militar.",{"idx":4845,"utterance_id":4846,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4847,"start_s":4848,"end_s":4849,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},728,"17948","Y recordando: esas escuelas solo serían, solo se colocarán donde tienes varias escuelas estatales; ahí se toman tres, cuatro o cinco y se transforma una de ellas en cívico-militar.",3848.36,3862.5,{"idx":4851,"utterance_id":4852,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4853,"start_s":4854,"end_s":4855,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},729,"17949","Entonces, quien no le gusta la escuela cívico-militar, tiene la otra allí, sigue funcionando.",3863.8,3868.92,{"idx":4857,"utterance_id":4858,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4859,"start_s":4860,"end_s":4861,"word_count":241,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4841,"target_proposition":4842,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":4862,"indexable":917},730,"17950","Vamos a transformar, es un 5, un 10% de las escuelas en cívico-militares.",3869.38,3875.28,"declara un plan para transformar el 5–10% de las escuelas en cívico‑militares.",{"idx":4864,"utterance_id":4865,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4866,"start_s":4867,"end_s":4868,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},731,"17951","Donde solo tienes una, en una ciudad pequeña, esa no sufrirá cambios.",3876.14,3880.08,{"idx":4870,"utterance_id":4871,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4872,"start_s":4873,"end_s":4874,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},732,"17952","¿Y sabes lo que pasó?",3881.28,3882.42,{"idx":4876,"utterance_id":4877,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4878,"start_s":4879,"end_s":4880,"word_count":248,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4841,"target_proposition":4842,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":4881,"indexable":917},733,"17953","El sindicato de profesores presentó una demanda para que no hubiera audiencia pública.",3883.34,3890.14,"critica la acción sindical que impidió la audiencia, defendiendo la implementación.",{"idx":4883,"utterance_id":4884,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4885,"start_s":4886,"end_s":4887,"word_count":59,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4841,"target_proposition":4842,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":4888,"indexable":917},734,"17954","Y consiguieron en el Tribunal de Cuentas del Estado, que no tiene nada que ver con educación, una decisión para impedir que se escuchara.",3891.66,3900.64,"relata la decisión del TCE que impidió la audiencia y critica el impedimento.",{"idx":4890,"utterance_id":4891,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4892,"start_s":4893,"end_s":4894,"word_count":255,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4841,"target_proposition":4842,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":4895,"indexable":917},735,"17955","Pero gracias a Dios, esta semana revertimos esa situación en la justicia ordinaria.",3902.44,3907.1,"informa que la situación fue revertida, defendiendo la continuidad del proyecto.",{"idx":4897,"utterance_id":4898,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":951,"start_s":4899,"end_s":4900,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},736,"17956",3907.48,3907.94,{"idx":4902,"utterance_id":4903,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4904,"start_s":4905,"end_s":4906,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},737,"17957","Vamos a escuchar.",3908.5,3909.54,{"idx":4908,"utterance_id":4909,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4910,"start_s":4911,"end_s":4912,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4841,"target_proposition":4842,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":4913,"indexable":178},738,"17958","Sé que muchos padres, muchas madres, alumnos e incluso profesoras... quieren que la escuela sea cívico-militar.",3910.12,3919.18,"afirma que padres y profesoras desean escuelas cívico‑militares.",{"idx":4915,"utterance_id":4916,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4917,"start_s":4918,"end_s":4919,"word_count":21,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4841,"target_proposition":4842,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":915,"rationale":4920,"indexable":917},739,"17959","Habrá dentro de esa escuela un militar acompañando, va a aportar disciplina, va a aportar nociones de moral y civismo, que necesitamos en Brasil.",3919.58,3933.14,"atribuye disciplina, moral y civismo como beneficios de las cívico‑militares.",{"idx":4922,"utterance_id":4923,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4924,"start_s":4925,"end_s":4926,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},740,"17960","No sirve de nada que sepas mucha matemática y actúes para montar un banco \"master\", ¿estás de acuerdo?",3934.52,3939.62,{"idx":4928,"utterance_id":4929,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4930,"start_s":4931,"end_s":4932,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},741,"17961","Estás dando una llave.",3941.18,3942.22,{"idx":4934,"utterance_id":4935,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4936,"start_s":4937,"end_s":4938,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},742,"17962","Mejor no saber, ¿estás de acuerdo?",3943.14,3944.88,{"idx":4940,"utterance_id":4941,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4942,"start_s":4943,"end_s":4944,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},743,"17963","Ser un analfabeto.",3944.96,3945.98,{"idx":4946,"utterance_id":4947,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4948,"start_s":4949,"end_s":4950,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},744,"17964","Porque entonces no habría causado tanto perjuicio a un país como Brasil.",3946.02,3950.26,{"idx":4952,"utterance_id":4953,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4954,"start_s":4955,"end_s":4956,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},745,"17965","Entonces, hemos formado aquí personas que muchas veces no saben, como dijiste, y a veces incluso que sí saben, pero que van por el camino equivocado.",3950.82,3959.9,{"idx":4958,"utterance_id":4959,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":4960,"start_s":4961,"end_s":4962,"word_count":4,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":4963,"target_proposition":4964,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1051,"rationale":4965,"indexable":917},746,"17966","Por tanto, el sistema educativo necesita un cambio de 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Yo estudié en colegio militar, Bruno también estudió.",4043.66,4052.52,"dice que es una buena alternativa y que estudió en colegio militar.",{"idx":5055,"utterance_id":5056,"speaker_name":174,"text":5057,"start_s":5058,"end_s":5059,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},760,"17980","Yo también.",4052.62,4053.18,{"idx":5061,"utterance_id":5062,"speaker_name":174,"text":5063,"start_s":5064,"end_s":5065,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},761,"17981","Yo en Río de Janeiro, tú pasaste por Manaus.",4053.22,4054.84,{"idx":5067,"utterance_id":5068,"speaker_name":174,"text":5069,"start_s":5070,"end_s":5071,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},762,"17982","Sí, pasé por dos: Campo Grande y Manaus.",4054.94,4057.32,{"idx":5073,"utterance_id":5074,"speaker_name":174,"text":5075,"start_s":5076,"end_s":5077,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},763,"17983","Y hace la diferencia.",4057.52,4058.38,{"idx":5079,"utterance_id":5080,"speaker_name":174,"text":5081,"start_s":5082,"end_s":5083,"word_count":261,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5084,"target_proposition":5085,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":5086,"indexable":178},764,"17984","Ahora, una sola persona dentro del colegio no va a hacer tanta diferencia, creo.",4058.54,4062.46,"69895114-df7d-4fc1-ae60-b582b3b6f21f","aumentar la presencia de militares en las escuelas cívico-militares","Afirma que una sola persona no hará la diferencia, defendiendo más efectivos.",{"idx":5088,"utterance_id":5089,"speaker_name":174,"text":5090,"start_s":5091,"end_s":5092,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},765,"17985","Entonces vas a necesitar un poco más de militares.",4062.56,4064.76,{"idx":5094,"utterance_id":5095,"speaker_name":174,"text":5096,"start_s":5097,"end_s":5098,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},766,"17986","Es que los colegios militares por los que pasamos eran grandes.",4064.86,4067.38,{"idx":5100,"utterance_id":5101,"speaker_name":174,"text":5102,"start_s":5103,"end_s":5104,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},767,"17987","Eran de militares.",4067.42,4068.24,{"idx":5106,"utterance_id":5107,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5108,"start_s":5109,"end_s":5110,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},768,"17988","Sí, allí tenemos los colegios Tiradentes, que están en esa línea de la que ustedes hablan.",4068.46,4073.4,{"idx":5112,"utterance_id":5113,"speaker_name":174,"text":5114,"start_s":5115,"end_s":5116,"word_count":268,"indexable":178},769,"17989","Hay colegio militar también, creo que en Juiz de Fora y Belo Horizonte, ¿no?",4073.44,4076.26,{"idx":5118,"utterance_id":5119,"speaker_name":174,"text":3321,"start_s":5120,"end_s":5121,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},770,"17990",4076.86,4077.08,{"idx":5123,"utterance_id":5124,"speaker_name":174,"text":5125,"start_s":5126,"end_s":5127,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},771,"17991","Del ejército, sí.",4077.6,4078.78,{"idx":5129,"utterance_id":5130,"speaker_name":174,"text":5131,"start_s":5132,"end_s":5133,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},772,"17992","Fue ese el que estudiamos y fue muy bueno.",4079,4081.62,{"idx":5135,"utterance_id":5136,"speaker_name":174,"text":5137,"start_s":5138,"end_s":5139,"word_count":59,"indexable":178},773,"17993","Solo conozco a una persona que hizo la formación militar conmigo que no le fue bien en la vida, que se metió en las drogas.",4082.22,4086.38,{"idx":5141,"utterance_id":5142,"speaker_name":174,"text":5143,"start_s":5144,"end_s":5145,"word_count":246,"indexable":178},774,"17994","Al resto de la gente también le fue bien en la vida; y en Río de Janeiro también están aquellos que fueron allí, de los que no tenemos certeza.",4086.84,4093.34,{"idx":5147,"utterance_id":5148,"speaker_name":174,"text":5149,"start_s":5150,"end_s":5151,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},775,"17995","A él le fue bien, sólo que no sabe si es del bien o del mal.",4093.72,4095.76,{"idx":5153,"utterance_id":5154,"speaker_name":174,"text":5155,"start_s":5156,"end_s":5157,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},776,"17996","entonces él está bien, puede ser, ¿no? Sí, pero sí... y otra cosa que tú comentaste sobre la universidad.",4095.94,4100.82,{"idx":5159,"utterance_id":5160,"speaker_name":174,"text":5161,"start_s":5162,"end_s":5163,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},777,"17997","¿no? Bruno no hizo universidad y yo siempre le digo que es... es un mundo completamente aparte, porque como él hizo la academia militar, no pasó por la parte académica civil, que es realmente una locura.",4100.88,4113.94,{"idx":49,"utterance_id":5165,"speaker_name":174,"text":5166,"start_s":5167,"end_s":5168,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},"17998","Yo hice universidad pública.",4115.86,4117.46,{"idx":5170,"utterance_id":5171,"speaker_name":174,"text":5172,"start_s":5173,"end_s":5174,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},779,"17999","¿Dónde la hiciste?",4117.9,4118.96,{"idx":5176,"utterance_id":5177,"speaker_name":174,"text":5178,"start_s":5179,"end_s":5180,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},780,"18000","En Río de Janeiro.",4119.04,4119.88,{"idx":5182,"utterance_id":5183,"speaker_name":174,"text":5184,"start_s":5185,"end_s":5186,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},781,"18001","Hice la 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escorpiones.",4126.92,4128.56,{"idx":5217,"utterance_id":5218,"speaker_name":174,"text":5219,"start_s":5220,"end_s":5221,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},787,"18007","De todos los venenosos.",4128.86,4130.78,{"idx":5223,"utterance_id":5224,"speaker_name":174,"text":5225,"start_s":5226,"end_s":5227,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},788,"18008","Y Bruno siempre decía que era ciencia soviética.",4131.2,4134.44,{"idx":1050,"utterance_id":5229,"speaker_name":174,"text":5230,"start_s":5231,"end_s":5232,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},"18009","Porque allí solo había un lado de la política.",4134.68,4136.36,{"idx":1063,"utterance_id":5234,"speaker_name":174,"text":5235,"start_s":5236,"end_s":5237,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},"18010","No estaban los dos, ¿entiendes?",4136.44,4137.48,{"idx":5239,"utterance_id":5240,"speaker_name":174,"text":5241,"start_s":5242,"end_s":5243,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},791,"18011","Sí, solo un lado.",4137.54,4138.56,{"idx":5245,"utterance_id":5246,"speaker_name":174,"text":5247,"start_s":5248,"end_s":5249,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},792,"18012","Y en mi casa, mi padre es militar, mi hermana es militar.",4138.8,4141.76,{"idx":5251,"utterance_id":5252,"speaker_name":174,"text":5253,"start_s":5254,"end_s":5255,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},793,"18013","Yo era considerada una persona de izquierda.",4141.86,4143.64,{"idx":5257,"utterance_id":5258,"speaker_name":174,"text":5259,"start_s":5260,"end_s":5261,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},794,"18014","En la universidad me trataban... me trataban como una persona de derecha.",4144.02,4146.32,{"idx":5263,"utterance_id":5264,"speaker_name":174,"text":5265,"start_s":5266,"end_s":5267,"word_count":280,"topic_slug":18,"topic_label":14,"target_id":5268,"target_proposition":5269,"stance":997,"stance_confidence":1657,"rationale":5270,"indexable":178},795,"18015","entonces todo depende del referente y de hecho no hay espacio para la derecha en la universidad pública.",4146.42,4153.6,"a24f5888-f18b-4430-9502-0851e9f30160","promover la pluralidad ideológica en las universidades públicas","Relata la falta de espacio para la derecha en la universidad, describiendo el hecho.",{"idx":5272,"utterance_id":5273,"speaker_name":174,"text":5274,"start_s":5275,"end_s":5276,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},796,"18016","y yo me gradué hace 10 años, 15 años — hace mucho tiempo, bastante tiempo — y en aquella época ya era así.",4153.7,4160.82,{"idx":5278,"utterance_id":5279,"speaker_name":174,"text":5280,"start_s":5281,"end_s":5282,"word_count":227,"indexable":178},797,"18017","imagina ahora que llevan unos 10 años de haberse graduado y que la cosa está mucho peor y solo ha empeorado, solo empeora.",4160.9,4167.68,{"idx":5284,"utterance_id":5285,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5286,"start_s":5287,"end_s":5288,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},798,"18018","Todo lleno de pintadas, solo gente loca allí, ¿no es así?",4168.22,4172.2,{"idx":5290,"utterance_id":5291,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5292,"start_s":5293,"end_s":5294,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},799,"18019","En esos lugares.",4172.28,4173.52,{"idx":5296,"utterance_id":5297,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5298,"start_s":5299,"end_s":5300,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},800,"18020","De vez en cuando aparece por ahí.",4173.82,4175.14,{"idx":5302,"utterance_id":5303,"speaker_name":174,"text":5304,"start_s":5305,"end_s":5306,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},801,"18021","Es otro ambiente.",4175.2,4176.7,{"idx":5308,"utterance_id":5309,"speaker_name":174,"text":5310,"start_s":5311,"end_s":5312,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},802,"18022","Aquí en São Paulo también hay, ¿no?",4177.82,4179,{"idx":5314,"utterance_id":5315,"speaker_name":174,"text":5316,"start_s":5317,"end_s":5318,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},803,"18023","Entonces, es una locura.",4179.08,4180.02,{"idx":5320,"utterance_id":5321,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5322,"start_s":5323,"end_s":5324,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},804,"18024","Y no es con esa gente que vamos a construir un país del futuro, ¿estás de acuerdo?",4180.06,4186.48,{"idx":5326,"utterance_id":5327,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5328,"start_s":5329,"end_s":5330,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},805,"18025","De ninguna manera.",4186.94,4188.1,{"idx":5332,"utterance_id":5333,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5334,"start_s":5335,"end_s":5336,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},806,"18026","Y el problema es que eso se ha reproducido.",4188.82,4191.08,{"idx":5338,"utterance_id":5339,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5340,"start_s":5341,"end_s":5342,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},807,"18027","Una generación sustituye a otra y el país no avanza.",4192.4,4196.4,{"idx":5344,"utterance_id":5345,"speaker_name":174,"text":5346,"start_s":5347,"end_s":5348,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},808,"18028","Isema, ¿crees que tu candidatura sería una tercera vía frente a un cuadro polarizado?",4196.8,4203.72,{"idx":5350,"utterance_id":5351,"speaker_name":174,"text":5352,"start_s":5353,"end_s":5354,"word_count":32,"indexable":178},809,"18029","Porque tenemos por un lado en la izquierda a Lula, y creo muy difícil que no sea él quien compita, o alguien que él designe, vamos a poner esa hipótesis menos probable.",4203.82,4214.26,{"idx":5356,"utterance_id":5357,"speaker_name":174,"text":5358,"start_s":5359,"end_s":5360,"word_count":324,"indexable":178},810,"18030","En la derecha, el nombre más fuerte hoy, Tarcísio ya se desligó de participar en la elección, sería Flávio Bolsonaro; actualmente las cosas pueden cambiar.",4215.76,4224.28,{"idx":44,"utterance_id":5362,"speaker_name":174,"text":5363,"start_s":5364,"end_s":5365,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},"18031","Y ahí tú surges como un candidato también de derecha.",4224.92,4227.58,{"idx":5367,"utterance_id":5368,"speaker_name":174,"text":5369,"start_s":5370,"end_s":5371,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},812,"18032","¿Por qué crees que deberías ser el candidato principal, digamos, para una segunda vuelta, probablemente contra Lula o alguien designado por él?",4228.22,4235.66,{"idx":5373,"utterance_id":5374,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5375,"start_s":5376,"end_s":5377,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":5378,"topic_label":5379,"target_id":5380,"target_proposition":5381,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":5382,"indexable":917},813,"18033","Bueno, estoy conversando con Bruno, que creo que entiende de negocios y de las instituciones que tú sigues.",4237.42,4245.88,"processo-eleitoral","Proceso 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Minas demostramos que... Fui elegido gobernador de Minas en 2018 sin haber sido nunca concejal, alcalde, diputado estatal o federal, sin haber disputado nunca una elección.",4273.24,4287.38,{"idx":5402,"utterance_id":5403,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5404,"start_s":5405,"end_s":5406,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},817,"18037","Y mucha gente apostaba que ese gobierno no iba a funcionar en Minas.",4288.7,4293.58,{"idx":5408,"utterance_id":5409,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5410,"start_s":5411,"end_s":5412,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},818,"18038","Pero hay momentos en que lo que necesitamos es oxigenar el sistema y no continuar con el sistema.",4295.92,4301.36,{"idx":5414,"utterance_id":5415,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5416,"start_s":5417,"end_s":5418,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},819,"18039","Dar una sacudida al sistema.",4301.52,4303.18,{"idx":5420,"utterance_id":5421,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5422,"start_s":5423,"end_s":5424,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},820,"18040","Y en mi opinión Brasil necesita esa sacudida.",4303.26,4305.76,{"idx":5426,"utterance_id":5427,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5428,"start_s":5429,"end_s":5430,"word_count":261,"indexable":178},821,"18041","Y, lamentablemente, quien ya está en la política hace 10 años, 20 años, 30 años,",4306.74,4311.02,{"idx":5432,"utterance_id":5433,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5434,"start_s":5435,"end_s":5436,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},822,"18042","etc.",4312.22,4312.48,{"idx":5438,"utterance_id":5439,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5440,"start_s":5441,"end_s":5442,"word_count":205,"topic_slug":5443,"topic_label":5444,"target_id":5445,"target_proposition":5446,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":5447,"indexable":178},823,"18043","que viene de familia política,",4312.96,4314.84,"governanca-politica","Gobernanza política","545c5dee-d705-40f3-946b-52c2716e66a6","combatir reparto de cargos y nepotismo","Critica prácticas de loteamiento y favorecimiento familiar en la administración pública.",{"idx":5449,"utterance_id":5450,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5434,"start_s":5451,"end_s":5452,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},824,"18044",4314.92,4315.08,{"idx":5454,"utterance_id":5455,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5456,"start_s":5457,"end_s":5458,"word_count":43,"indexable":178},825,"18045","Ya ha incorporado, no sé si afortunadamente o por desgracia, diversas prácticas que considero que son malas para el país, como el reparto de secretarías y ministerios, que comentamos.",4315.9,4331.1,{"idx":5460,"utterance_id":5461,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5462,"start_s":5463,"end_s":5464,"word_count":9,"indexable":178},826,"18046","Que usted o alguien de su familia haga un negocio con el Banco Master y piense que eso es normal; para mí no lo es. ¿Lo entiende?",4332.04,4341.02,{"idx":5466,"utterance_id":5467,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5468,"start_s":5469,"end_s":5470,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},827,"18047","O que usted gaste dinero público a raudales y crea que no tiene que rendir cuentas; para mí tampoco es normal.",4341.66,4348.02,{"idx":5472,"utterance_id":5473,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5474,"start_s":5475,"end_s":5476,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},828,"18048","¿Entendió?",4348.6,4349.08,{"idx":5478,"utterance_id":5479,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5480,"start_s":5481,"end_s":5482,"word_count":21,"indexable":178},829,"18049","Entonces, creo que necesitamos a una persona que llegue con ese modelo mental, con esa mentalidad diferente para la política.",4349.64,4356.88,{"idx":5484,"utterance_id":5485,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5486,"start_s":5487,"end_s":5488,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},830,"18050","Porque, de lo contrario, seguirá ocurriendo lo que siempre ha ocurrido.",4356.92,4362.44,{"idx":5490,"utterance_id":5491,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5492,"start_s":5493,"end_s":5494,"word_count":169,"indexable":178},831,"18051","Tenemos aquí buenos políticos, con buen desempeño, pero la gran mayoría de ellos llega con ese modelo, lo que sabemos que implica dar continuidad a lo que ya se ha demostrado que no es bueno para Brasil.",4363.4,4380.54,{"idx":5496,"utterance_id":5497,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5498,"start_s":5499,"end_s":5500,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},832,"18052","No sé si logré explicarme.",4382.72,4384.18,{"idx":5502,"utterance_id":5503,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5504,"start_s":5505,"end_s":5506,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},833,"18053","No, lo logró.",4384.24,4385.2,{"idx":5508,"utterance_id":5509,"speaker_name":174,"text":5510,"start_s":5511,"end_s":5512,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},834,"18054","En mi opinión, sí.",4385.5,4386.3,{"idx":5514,"utterance_id":5515,"speaker_name":174,"text":5516,"start_s":5517,"end_s":5518,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},835,"18055","¿Tiene otra pregunta?",4386.34,4387.2,{"idx":5520,"utterance_id":5521,"speaker_name":174,"text":5522,"start_s":5523,"end_s":5524,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},836,"18056","No.",4387.26,4387.58,{"idx":5526,"utterance_id":5527,"speaker_name":174,"text":5528,"start_s":5529,"end_s":5530,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},837,"18057","Bueno, hay muchas cosas para preguntar, ¿verdad?",4388.36,4390.24,{"idx":5532,"utterance_id":5533,"speaker_name":174,"text":5534,"start_s":5535,"end_s":5536,"word_count":222,"indexable":178},838,"18058","Pero hay un horario límite aquí para el podcast.",4390.42,4392.68,{"idx":5538,"utterance_id":5539,"speaker_name":174,"text":5540,"start_s":5541,"end_s":5542,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},839,"18059","Entonces, Zema, solo agradecerle.",4393.32,4394.52,{"idx":5544,"utterance_id":5545,"speaker_name":174,"text":5546,"start_s":5547,"end_s":5548,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},840,"18060","Fue estupendo recibirlo aquí.",4395.44,4396.88,{"idx":5550,"utterance_id":5551,"speaker_name":174,"text":5552,"start_s":5553,"end_s":5554,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},841,"18061","Espero que vuelva más veces.",4396.98,4398.42,{"idx":5556,"utterance_id":5557,"speaker_name":174,"text":5558,"start_s":5559,"end_s":5560,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},842,"18062","Le deseo buena suerte en la campaña.",4398.46,4400,{"idx":5562,"utterance_id":5563,"speaker_name":174,"text":5564,"start_s":5565,"end_s":5566,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},843,"18063","Si quiere dar un mensaje final a la audiencia, adelante.",4400.04,4402.12,{"idx":5568,"utterance_id":5569,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5570,"start_s":5571,"end_s":5572,"word_count":266,"indexable":178},844,"18064","Creo que es la primera vez —y mira que he dado muchas entrevistas— que soy entrevistado por un marido y una mujer.",4402.26,4407.52,{"idx":5574,"utterance_id":5575,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5576,"start_s":5577,"end_s":5578,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},845,"18065","Felicidades, Zé.",4408.34,4409.04,{"idx":5580,"utterance_id":5581,"speaker_name":174,"text":5582,"start_s":5583,"end_s":5584,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},846,"18066","Estamos aquí persistentes.",4409.08,4410.32,{"idx":5586,"utterance_id":5587,"speaker_name":174,"text":5588,"start_s":5589,"end_s":5590,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},847,"18067","El programa ya existe desde hace cinco años.",4411.28,4413.4,{"idx":5592,"utterance_id":5593,"speaker_name":174,"text":5594,"start_s":5595,"end_s":5596,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},848,"18068","Creo que va a cumplir cinco años.",4413.72,4415.02,{"idx":5598,"utterance_id":5599,"speaker_name":174,"text":5600,"start_s":5601,"end_s":5602,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},849,"18069","Cinco años.",4415.08,4415.7,{"idx":5604,"utterance_id":5605,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5606,"start_s":5607,"end_s":5608,"word_count":205,"indexable":178},850,"18070","Eso es una rareza, ¿eh?",4415.84,4417.54,{"idx":5610,"utterance_id":5611,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5612,"start_s":5613,"end_s":5614,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},851,"18071","Creo que es difícil de encontrar.",4418.26,4420.3,{"idx":5616,"utterance_id":5617,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5618,"start_s":5619,"end_s":5620,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},852,"18072","Felicidades.",4420.5,4421.02,{"idx":5622,"utterance_id":5623,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5624,"start_s":5625,"end_s":5626,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},853,"18073","Gracias.",4421.08,4421.34,{"idx":5628,"utterance_id":5629,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5630,"start_s":5631,"end_s":5632,"word_count":193,"indexable":178},854,"18074","Muy bien preparados.",4421.76,4423.18,{"idx":5634,"utterance_id":5635,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5636,"start_s":5637,"end_s":5638,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},855,"18075","Pero espero haber contribuido aquí al debate.",4424.02,4428.64,{"idx":5640,"utterance_id":5641,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5642,"start_s":5643,"end_s":5644,"word_count":227,"topic_slug":5645,"topic_label":5646,"target_id":5647,"target_proposition":5648,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":998,"rationale":5649,"indexable":178},856,"18076","Incluso algo que no comenté, en lo que quiero contribuir mucho en mi precampaña y campaña, es en el debate.",4428.72,4433.88,"estrategia-eleitoral","Estrategia electoral","2c55d1f6-1afc-4de5-917f-cb99c874126b","incorporar temas debatidos en la campaña electoral","Promete contribuir al debate y presentar ideas en la precampaña.",{"idx":5651,"utterance_id":5652,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5653,"start_s":5654,"end_s":5655,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},857,"18077","Que voy a traer ideas nuevas, como las que comenté aquí.",4434.44,4437.86,{"idx":5657,"utterance_id":5658,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5659,"start_s":5660,"end_s":5661,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},858,"18078","Transparencia.",4437.98,4438.76,{"idx":5663,"utterance_id":5664,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5665,"start_s":5666,"end_s":5667,"word_count":222,"topic_slug":2638,"topic_label":2639,"target_id":2640,"target_proposition":2641,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":982,"rationale":5668,"indexable":917},859,"18079","Todo lo que usted gasta, tiene que mostrarlo.",4438.86,4440.44,"Pregunta por qué la tarjeta de crédito del presidente no puede ser mostrada.",{"idx":5670,"utterance_id":5671,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5672,"start_s":5673,"end_s":5674,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},860,"18080","¿Por qué no puede mostrarse la tarjeta de crédito del presidente?",4440.48,4444.02,{"idx":5676,"utterance_id":5677,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5678,"start_s":5679,"end_s":5680,"word_count":229,"indexable":178},861,"18081","Él está gastando mi dinero y el suyo.",4444.06,4446,{"idx":5682,"utterance_id":5683,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":2111,"start_s":5684,"end_s":5685,"word_count":180,"indexable":178},862,"18082",4446.66,4447.18,{"idx":5687,"utterance_id":5688,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5689,"start_s":5690,"end_s":5691,"word_count":199,"topic_slug":2638,"topic_label":2639,"target_id":2640,"target_proposition":2641,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1125,"rationale":5692,"indexable":178},863,"18083","Debe mostrarse.",4447.92,4448.84,"Critica el uso de aviones por parte de ministros para asistir a partidos, pidiendo responsabilidad.",{"idx":5694,"utterance_id":5695,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5696,"start_s":5697,"end_s":5698,"word_count":280,"indexable":178},864,"18084","Porque quien vuela con él o en los avioncitos cuyo combustible nosotros pagamos, nadie puede enterarse.",4449.22,4455.54,{"idx":5700,"utterance_id":5701,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5702,"start_s":5703,"end_s":5704,"word_count":4,"indexable":178},865,"18085","¿Un ministro tomar un avioncito, un jatim, para ver un partido de fútbol?",4456.24,4460.08,{"idx":5706,"utterance_id":5707,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5708,"start_s":5709,"end_s":5710,"word_count":216,"indexable":178},866,"18086","Si a él le gusta el fútbol, es su problema.",4461.74,4463.58,{"idx":5712,"utterance_id":5713,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5714,"start_s":5715,"end_s":5716,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},867,"18087","Vivo en una ciudad que está a cinco horas de Belo Horizonte.",4464.78,4468.04,{"idx":5718,"utterance_id":5719,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5720,"start_s":5721,"end_s":5722,"word_count":216,"topic_slug":2638,"topic_label":2639,"target_id":5723,"target_proposition":5724,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1565,"rationale":5725,"indexable":178},868,"18088","Nunca usé el avión del gobierno",4468.56,4470.68,"935ab539-36eb-4e55-a40c-a694a6bd0d61","acabar con las cajas negras y aumentar la transparencia en la gestión pública","Reivindica que nunca usó un avión del gobierno para fines particulares, defendiendo cuidado.",{"idx":5727,"utterance_id":5728,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5729,"start_s":5730,"end_s":5731,"word_count":185,"indexable":178},869,"18089","para ir allí con fines particulares.",4471.06,4473.72,{"idx":5733,"utterance_id":5734,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5735,"start_s":5736,"end_s":5737,"word_count":199,"indexable":178},870,"18090","Voy en coche.",4473.76,4474.4,{"idx":5739,"utterance_id":5740,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5741,"start_s":5742,"end_s":5743,"word_count":255,"indexable":178},871,"18091","No voy a gastar el dinero de los habitantes de Minas para ir a mi casa.",4475.72,4479.98,{"idx":5745,"utterance_id":5746,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5747,"start_s":5748,"end_s":5749,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},872,"18092","Si tengo compromisos en la región, incluso el avión aterriza allí y me deja.",4480.8,4485.68,{"idx":5751,"utterance_id":5752,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5753,"start_s":5754,"end_s":5755,"word_count":285,"indexable":178},873,"18093","Entonces, creo que tenemos que tener esa responsabilidad con el dinero público igual que la tenemos con el nuestro.",4486.12,4492.7,{"idx":5757,"utterance_id":5758,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5759,"start_s":5760,"end_s":5761,"word_count":253,"indexable":178},874,"18094","Entonces, eso para mí es fundamental; me indigna muchas cosas que ocurren en Brasil y creo que tendré la oportunidad de ir mostrándolo en los próximos meses.",4493.58,4504.28,{"idx":5763,"utterance_id":5764,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5765,"start_s":5766,"end_s":5767,"word_count":274,"indexable":178},875,"18095","Y agradezco mucho haber tenido este momento aquí con ustedes; felicitaciones por el programa, mucho éxito.",4504.8,4513.04,{"idx":5769,"utterance_id":5770,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5771,"start_s":5772,"end_s":5773,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},876,"18096","y es bueno saber que aquí tenemos a dos ex... estudiantes militares.",4513.62,4518.58,{"idx":5775,"utterance_id":5776,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5777,"start_s":5778,"end_s":5779,"word_count":234,"indexable":178},877,"18097","Creo incluso que por eso les va tan bien, porque saben que no hay solución mágica.",4519.14,4524.64,{"idx":5781,"utterance_id":5782,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5783,"start_s":5784,"end_s":5785,"word_count":285,"topic_slug":5443,"topic_label":5444,"target_id":5786,"target_proposition":5787,"stance":914,"stance_confidence":1187,"rationale":5788,"indexable":917},878,"18098","Se necesita disciplina, se necesita un plan a largo plazo; nada mejora de la noche a la mañana, ¿no es así?",4524.86,4531.82,"5440c50b-a667-4c0e-871e-01e1c58a3007","adoptar planificación a largo plazo y disciplina en la gestión pública","Defiende disciplina y planes a largo plazo para mejorar las políticas públicas.",{"idx":5790,"utterance_id":5791,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5792,"start_s":5793,"end_s":5794,"word_count":241,"indexable":178},879,"18099","Pero a lo largo de 10 años se pueden mejorar muchas cosas.",4532.26,4535.54,{"idx":5796,"utterance_id":5797,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5798,"start_s":5799,"end_s":5800,"word_count":248,"indexable":178},880,"18100","Entonces es esa noción la que necesitamos transmitir a los brasileños.",4535.9,4539.84,{"idx":5802,"utterance_id":5803,"speaker_name":93,"speaker_slug":92,"text":5804,"start_s":5805,"end_s":5806,"word_count":187,"indexable":178},881,"18101","Muchas gracias.",4540.24,4541.02,"es",{"job_id":5809,"title":5810,"source_url":5811,"platform":5812,"content_type":5813,"published_at":5814,"duration_sec":5815,"n_classified":5816,"speakers":5817},"7da45ac0-d879-47f5-a598-1529775c644d","De EMPREENDEDOR a GOVERNADOR de Minas Gerais | Zema conta sua trajetória no Os Sócios","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=4ds492tOzYk","youtube","video","2026-02-03T20:30:06Z",4541.033688,882,[5818],{"name":93,"slug":92,"photo_url":98,"n_falas":4317}]