Desconhecido: PPS, PSB, the parties further to the left that wanted to support the impeachment could not support our impeachment.
Desconhecido: And we had to have the necessary resilience to create a new strategy of coordination to get it passed.
And then I remember that the PSDB leadership, Carlos Sampaio, in a meeting said, 'look Rubens, there is a very great symbolism in Hélio Bicudo's impeachment request.'
Desconhecido: Hélio is one of the founders of PT (Workers' Party), so he had a very strong image, it was very symbolic; he was a founder of the PT, a guy who has known Lula since the beginning, a guy who was a federal deputy for the PT signing the request and it was kind of a relief for the left-wing parties to say, 'wow, it's really not a right-wing thing.'
Desconhecido: And the movement seeks to unify the country around the idea of democracy, of freedom for all, not for just one... for one segment, for one party.