Tarcisio: So we don't have refineries and we're suffering from the oil crisis again.
Tarcisio: With ethanol, from ethanol you get biogas, you get biomethane, you get sustainable aviation fuel, you get hydrogen from ethanol reforming, you can do everything.
And we don't take advantage of that opportunity, we don't develop it.
Tarcisio: And we keep suffering, so it doesn't make sense; Brazil is being very poorly looked after.