Desconhecido: Of course.
Tarcisio: People sometimes have no idea, but the state of São Paulo today is the state with the lowest homicide rate in Brazil.
Our homicide indicator is lower than that of the United States.
Tarcisio: It's on a par with the United States' indicator.
Tarcisio: So our homicide rate is lower than Santa Catarina's, for example, which is the second best.