Tarcisio: So how is it that the guy owes 10 billion in taxes to you and is operating?
Desconhecido: Sometimes people might say, 'No, but this guy is not such a serious criminal, he's just a tax evader.'
No — thanks to that tax evasion, it is an important, fundamental tool for money laundering in the sector.
Igor Coelho: We're not talking about a guy who runs a small shop.
Igor Coelho: We're talking about 10 billion reais.