Desconhecido: Don't get me wrong.
Desconhecido: But the best scenario is to defeat Lula at the polls.
Now, if he doesn't run, even better for Brazil, simply because.
Desconhecido: Exactly. That's the calculation I try to make, putting myself in his shoes.
Desconhecido: Even if reluctantly, it's to know the following: if he doesn't run, he'll put forward two who won't win the election.