Desconhecido: Last week there was an operation against the government's leader in the Federal Senate, Jacques Wagner, with several findings by the Federal Police, the negotiation in the apartment, in exchange for presenting amendments.
Desconhecido: How do you see this operation against Jacques Wagner and him remaining the government's leader in the Senate?
First of all, look, I'm of the view that when it comes to justice, there are no relatives, friends, enemies.
Fernando Haddad: There is a law that has to be applied.
Fernando Haddad: So one of the things I admire about President Lula is that, unlike his predecessor, he didn't replace the Minister of Justice to benefit a son, he didn't replace the superintendent of the Federal Police, he didn't replace the director-general.