Kim Kataguiri: When he is in a television debate, even Flávio's campaign told the media that if it were Renan they wouldn't go, which I think was the most grotesque campaign mistake I've ever seen, because that was a gift to us — an amateurish thing to say, look, we're afraid of your pre-candidacy, we're afraid that Renan will go to the debates.
Kim Kataguiri: And that's natural.
It's natural because Flávio is unprepared; Flávio has no ideology, no proposals in his own head — of the few things he has in his head, a proposal is definitely not one of them.
Kim Kataguiri: And all the scandals that Renan will certainly make a point of holding Flávio Bolsonaro to account for and of going after, as he is able to do, will apply both to Flávio and to Lula.