Kim Kataguiri: And what happens in Brazil is the following: in the oil and gas industry, it doesn't generate more employment, and it is worth noting that what creates the most jobs is not the exploration of oil itself, but the companies that provide services to Petrobras.
Kim Kataguiri: If there were no Petrobras monopoly, or if Petrobras were privatized, I'll go further.
Today we could have more than 400,000 direct or indirect jobs.
Kim Kataguiri: Much higher
Kim Kataguiri: than the 20,000–25,000