Kim Kataguiri: Unfortunately, even so, despite the agreement, we had, we had speeches opposing the project,
Kim Kataguiri: criticizing the total or partial divestment of shares by the states and municipalities to deal with the debt.
But despite the anti-bank, anti-corporate rhetoric, what we saw in practice in the PT governments, in left-wing governments, was precisely the opposite. The anti-bank discourse did not hold up with interest rates being pushed to 15%, turning Brazil into a paradise for scientists. Taking the taxpayer's money to give to debt payment. And the increase of the Bolsa Lobista from R$78 billion in 2006 to R$264 billion in 2016.
Kim Kataguiri: In other words, the Bolsa Lobista, the Bolsa Empresário, increased by practically R$200 billion during a left-wing administration.
Kim Kataguiri: Taxation of large fortunes did not occur; on the contrary. In Lula's first term, during the tax reform, Lula gave up the tax on large fortunes that was in the reform in order to approve the CPMF; that is, he burdened the ordinary citizen more, burdened the poorest more, in exchange for abandoning what was one of his main banners, one of his main speeches, which was the tax on large fortunes. More than that.