Desconhecido: But the Diretas Já movement, were you there?
Luis Inacio Lula da Silva: In 1984 I was — in 1984 the PT already existed.
By the way, history doesn't tell it, but if you take the Isto É magazine from November 1983... If you look, there will be a small piece, you know, saying the first act for Diretas Já in this country was done by the PT in November 1983, in front of the Pacaembu.
Desconhecido: Oh, really?
Desconhecido: Okay?