Renan Santos: Railways like crazy.
Renan Santos: But you have the barge lobby.
which is one of the worst things there is, the NGO lobby, the opposition, ICMBio — Hasmussen talks a lot about ICMBio — ICMBio, FUNAI, INCRA, quilombolas and indigenous tribes blocking things, so you can't finish a project in the northern region.
Renan Santos: So this is frightening, our government — I even said in a meeting with ambassadors, foreigners, especially Europeans and Americans, I said, your NGOs... act to sabotage infrastructure in Brazil.
Renan Santos: In large part, we can't finish a project like the Trans-Amazonian Highway because of a lack of money and infrastructure — that's our fault — and because the other part you have everything blocked.