Lula became president. I turned 18 in 2002. My generation was marked by short-lived booms, by rising crime, by the normalization of the idea that the country is split in two. Lula ruined my future. My generation, man, I don't know how old you are. I'm 26. 26. You're suffering this too. I hope you don't have to suffer so much anymore. My generation, when I turned 18, Lula became president. I turned 18 in 2002.
Renan Santos: My generation was marked by short-lived booms, by rising crime, by the normalization of the idea that the country is split in two. Lula ruined my future. I'm 42 years old, I'm a guy, from a work point of view I'm a successful guy, I founded a political party, I have the second-largest magazine in Brazil, I work with an NGO, I dedicate all my work to MBL. That said, people in my circle can't buy a house today. My generation failed. The generation that's 30, 40, 45 years old went wrong. They're having to drive for Uber despite having degrees. And it was Lula who didn't push through the reforms to make Brazil a serious country, while he kept buying the votes of the poorest in the Northeast.
Renan Santos: This guy is my enemy, yes, this guy destroyed my generation. No. I have to avenge my generation against Lula. That's what we have to do. So, when I threw salt, I did what the Romans did. When the Romans destroyed Carthage, there was a campaign in Rome called 'Carthago delenda est' — 'Destroy Carthage.' And then the Romans destroyed Carthage and threw salt on it and said, nothing will ever grow here. I threw it and I will throw it again. Another populist leader who divides his own country cannot be allowed to rise, who serves as a kind of pimp of misery and thinks everything will be fine. It won't, man.