Renan Santos: And today that doesn't happen.
Renan Santos: Today a member of a faction, for example, is caught and it's as if he were an ordinary prisoner or a member... or an ordinary person committing an offense, a crime.
So the separation we make, through the logic of the criminal law of the enemy, allows... a speed and effectiveness of the State similar to what certain states have when they go to combat terrorist organizations.
Renan Santos: For example, the United States, when they detect that someone is from Al-Qaeda.
Desconhecido: Yes, of course.