Romeu Zema: That's why healthcare doesn't make progress, that's why public security doesn't make progress in Brazil.
Romeu Zema: This is the big problem of the public sector.
They put there people who are more campaign operatives than people who understand health, security, education, public security.
Romeu Zema: And there... We are today, Bruno, the state that has the fewest secretariats.
Romeu Zema: If you were to do a survey, despite Minas being the second most populous state in Brazil — second only to São Paulo — we are the leanest state, with 14 secretariats.