Romeu Zema: Then he would say, no, it's better.
Romeu Zema: They even spent a few years working, some of them, as volunteers there, helping to rescue the State, let's say, out of patriotism itself.
And I, from the start, have always given my salary.
Romeu Zema: Mainly for peace, you understand?
Romeu Zema: I have that stance.