Desconhecido: Do you believe there's a possibility that the United States would use this to try, on their own, to combat these organizations without approval, without dialogue with the Lula government?
Romeu Zema: I think that's extremely unlikely.
What this government wants, in my view, is to eliminate any aggravation of penalty, to do nothing with regard to crime.
Romeu Zema: Besides, in my view, Ocapelli, it seems to me today that the tentacles of organized crime are very entrenched within the public machine, including, and have interests there.
Romeu Zema: Today we know there are candidates who have their campaigns financed by organized crime, via Caixa 2, etc.