Ronaldo Caiado: You have three years and five months of the Lula government; it's not a worldwide problem, because Covid happened all over the world.
And yet you see him increase the debt-to-GDP ratio from 72 to 81, that is, he increased Brazil's debt-to-GDP by almost 10%.
Ronaldo Caiado: It's more than 1.1 trillion reais thrown away with no result.
Ronaldo Caiado: What result did that produce?