Ronaldo Caiado: He doesn't make any decisions.
Ronaldo Caiado: So he talks about violence, but doesn't make any decisions.
So, I mean, he's a folkloric figure — like, 'I'll give you a cold beer, I'll guarantee a picanha; now look, I'll guarantee free bus passes, I'll free us up.'
Ronaldo Caiado: My reasoning is different, hey Lula.
Ronaldo Caiado: My thinking is the professionalization of the workforce, increasingly so.