Desconhecido: Nothing.
Tarcisio: I mean, we're self-sufficient in oil production, we don't have refineries, so we import diesel, because the guys were going to build refineries, but they stole all the money from the refineries — because those guys like to steal, they stole everything.
So we don't have refineries and we're suffering from the oil crisis again.
Tarcisio: With ethanol, from ethanol you get biogas, you get biomethane, you get sustainable aviation fuel, you get hydrogen from ethanol reforming, you can do everything.
Tarcisio: And we don't take advantage of that opportunity, we don't develop it.