Desconhecido: When it comes out in the media, generally speaking, it's presented in absolute terms.
Desconhecido: Of course.
People sometimes have no idea, but the state of São Paulo today is the state with the lowest homicide rate in Brazil.
Tarcisio: Our homicide indicator is lower than that of the United States.
Tarcisio: It's on a par with the United States' indicator.