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And does Your Excellency think there's a way back from this tone that today dominates politics and, largely, the parliament?

Then to tell you that what we are witnessing in Brazil is a discussion of pointless fights.

Suddenly, Your Excellency becomes the target of a set of orchestrated attacks...

And I repeat: I am not defending Your Excellency, I am pointing to the facts — I am pointing to the facts — and these facts need and deserve to be investigated, but it is fair to ask — it is fair to ask — why this is happening precisely after Your Excellency took that position.

I don't know if you remember that it was around that time that Lula was falling in approval and then he comes with a nationalist discourse hitting that and then he rises. Well

They didn't answer; if they had answered, maybe it would have been the best part, the most constructive part of the debate, but they didn't answer, they said whatever they wanted.

That left Bolsonaro on the ropes, with his hands tied, on the defensive. Then, in the second block, there was a balance between the two. The journalists' questions helped and hurt one and the other. And in the third block, I think Bolsonaro devoured Lula. I didn't understand why he left those 7 minutes for Bolsonaro to speak freely. It was better for Bolsonaro than a free airtime on television. More time. Even more time, in fact. And worse, then when the...