Desconhecido: Petrobras too. Yes, he gave the names. Now it became uncomfortable for Lula to actually answer
Desconhecido: all the time about Petrobras.
Lula tried to use a formula there he used on Jornal Nacional, used in other debates, used in interviews of saying, no, you can't break the company, you have to investigate the corruption, but you can't break the company. But there was a time I admitted, no, yes, there was theft. I think he had a phrase to that effect, that I don't remember seeing Lula speak with such clarity.
Desconhecido: Because he said, those who confessed committed a crime. Yeah, but he says,
Desconhecido: there was theft, that would be cut out, thrown into a campaign. Look here, he's admitting there was theft, right? And in the end I thought Lula was good, in his closing remarks he spoke like that, he talked about rachadinha, then he comes back, it seems he got bewildered in the last block, but in the end, in the final remarks, he comes back a little better, recovers.