Fernando Haddad: From 2022 to 2023.
Fernando Haddad: From 2022 to 2023, 60 billion of explicit deficit, plus precatórios, plus Bolsa Família, plus compensation for the governors, equals 200 billion.
What I'm saying is that, all things considered for next year, we will have a surplus.
Fernando Haddad: So, we need a fiscal adjustment of 2% of GDP.
Fernando Haddad: The interest rate, I agree with you, is at a level that, in my opinion, it should not be.