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JORNALISTA tenta JOGAR KIM na FOGUEIRA em SABATINA
216 classified statements · 1 politicians · June 18, 2026 · 32 min
Statements by Kim Kataguiri. 216 excerpts classified by topic and stance. Topics: Presidential Elections, Public Safety and Order, Party Membership, Criminal Justice.
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- Neutral
Desconhecido
0:00
About: launch candidacy for Governor of São Paulo state
Can we already call you a candidate?
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Asks whether he can already be called a candidate, without expressing support or opposition.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
0:02
About: improve the population's perception of security
The public's perception is different, and this really even shows up in polls.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Says public sentiment differs from the numbers, describing public perception.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
0:07
About: present plans to combat organized crime
What plans do you have for public security and specifically against organized crime?
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Asks directly about plans to combat organized crime, without taking a position.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
0:11
About: launch candidacy for Governor of São Paulo state
What is influencing your decision to actually run for governor of the State of São Paulo?
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Asks about the factors that weigh on the decision to be a candidate.
Kim Kataguiri
0:16
You once said that politics is war.
Kim Kataguiri
0:18
Do you really believe that?
Kim Kataguiri
0:19
Do you still hold that view?
Kim Kataguiri
0:26
If you've already noticed that this isn't mere rhetoric, that this is work — it's the largest number of reports, of bills approved, and of bad reports and bills that were blocked.
Kim Kataguiri
0:36
If you're tired of the populist fraudster who's just little videos, cheap speeches, or ribbon-cutting ceremonies being inaugurated in your town, then I need your help to continue my work.
Kim Kataguiri
0:47
Click the link and you'll be able to participate and help chip in for my campaign.
Desconhecido
0:51
Can we already call you a candidate? We know you're a pre-candidate, but you said you would still make that decision officially.
Desconhecido
1:01
Have you made that decision officially yet?
Desconhecido
1:04
What is influencing your decision to actually run for governor of the State of São Paulo?
Kim Kataguiri
1:09
About: launch the Mission party's pure-blood candidacy
Well, coincidentally, on the day of this interview there should be a party meeting tonight for us to make the final decision.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Gives the date and says the party will meet to finalize the announcement.
Kim Kataguiri
1:16
About: launch the Mission party's pure-blood candidacy
But in any case, the announcement should be made on the 20th, this Saturday, already scheduled at the event in Liberdade, at Bungio, at 3 p.m.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Says the announcement should be made on the 20th, giving the location and time.
Kim Kataguiri
1:25
And there are things that weigh on the decision to run or not for governor of the State.
Kim Kataguiri
1:32
About: assess the impact of the state candidacy on the party's federal deputies slate
First, what would be the impact on our Partido Missão's slate of federal deputies?
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Explains the calculation of running for governor versus a seat in the Chamber of Deputies, without advocating either side.
Kim Kataguiri
1:37
This is our first election; there is the challenge of overcoming the electoral threshold, naturally, and if I am not a candidate for federal deputy that removes votes from the slate. But, on the other hand, being a candidate for governor — speaking about the party, including in the first and most important debate, which is the Band debate, talking about the party's name, the party's proposals, the presidential candidate, my own candidacy and proposals for the state government, and also about the slates for federal and state deputies — this can partly compensate for my not running for the Chamber of Deputies.
Kim Kataguiri
2:14
About: explore growth of the Missão party in the presidential elections
We really believe there is an excellent zeitgeist for Partido Missão in these elections, given the exponential growth of Renan Santos's candidacy for the presidency of the Republic.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Says he believes there is a favorable spirit toward Partido Missão amid the candidacy's growth.
Kim Kataguiri
2:29
Candidate, I can't fail to begin this questioning by asking you about what is today the issue that dominates the public's concern: public security.
Kim Kataguiri
2:41
What plans do you have for public security and, specifically, how would the State government's fight against organized crime look in your potential administration?
Kim Kataguiri
2:54
About: ensure state political will to confront organized crime
Well, the fight against organized crime today is Partido Missão's main agenda and would be one of my main platforms in the candidacy for governor of the State.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence States that combating organized crime would be one of his main platforms.
Kim Kataguiri
3:03
First, I believe there has never been such a feeling of insecurity in the State of São Paulo and in Brazil as now.
Kim Kataguiri
3:10
About: increase penalties and imprisonment of criminals
Recently I approved a bill in the Chamber of Deputies, which has already been sanctioned and is law today, increasing penalties for petty theft and receiving stolen goods.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence Says he approved a bill to increase sentences, claiming legislative delivery.
Kim Kataguiri
3:17
So my commitment to the agenda and my ability to deliver results on this agenda I demonstrate with my own work here in the Chamber.
Kim Kataguiri
3:25
About: interrupt the statute of limitations if a convicted person escapes
Just yesterday I approved urgency for a bill that interrupts the statute of limitations in the case of an escaped convict, which is unthinkable — it seems obvious.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence Says he approved urgency for a bill that stops the statute of limitations if a convict flees.
Kim Kataguiri
3:33
If a person escapes, the State should have the right to find them and punish them at any time.
Kim Kataguiri
3:39
Today it doesn't.
Kim Kataguiri
3:40
Today a prisoner gets out of jail and if he escapes for long enough, depending on the crime he committed, evidently the State loses the power to punish him.
Kim Kataguiri
3:49
In other words, he remains free forever.
Kim Kataguiri
3:51
And even if he turns himself in and says, 'look, I was the one who escaped from prison, I committed that crime,' since the crime has prescribed he can no longer be punished.
Kim Kataguiri
3:58
About: integrate artificial intelligence and technology into public security
Regarding the government of the State of São Paulo, I think, first, that it's necessary to integrate cameras with artificial intelligence throughout the State.
Why it was classified this way · 92% confidence proposes integrating cameras with AI across the State to identify crimes.
Kim Kataguiri
4:06
Because today we have systems in which cameras recognize car and motorcycle license plates that are clean or that have been stolen, but that is not enough to combat the main crime that affects us today in the State of São Paulo, which is robbery.
Kim Kataguiri
4:22
We need to have facial identification of the individual.
Kim Kataguiri
4:25
The experience we have in the city of São Paulo with Smart Tampa, which other cities have also adopted — as is the case of São Caetano and Itaia Tuba — was very successful in using artificial intelligence to carry out facial recognition.
Kim Kataguiri
4:38
About: integrate the state security system with the Cortex system of the Ministry of Justice
And I also believe there should be integration between the security system, the Secretariat of Public Security of São Paulo, and the Cortex system, also from the Ministry of Justice, so that all organized crime leaders who already have arrest warrants issued can no longer enter or leave the State of São Paulo.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence advocates integration with Cortex to prevent the entry and exit of organized crime leaders.
Kim Kataguiri
4:58
Because since we have some cities that have this system and others that do not, criminals basically leave the cities that have it in order not to be caught, not to be arrested.
Kim Kataguiri
5:07
And go to those that don't have it.
Kim Kataguiri
5:08
If we have this across the whole state, they will be forced to leave the state; the coragidos will hardly be able to remain in the state in that situation.
Kim Kataguiri
5:19
Another point I also think is important is to have the collaboration of the municipalities.
Kim Kataguiri
5:24
About: use the discretionary portion of ICMS to reward municipalities with better security indicators
And I think that in the discretionary distribution of ICMS we could send more resources to cities that have the greatest improvement in the indicators.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence proposes sending more resources to municipalities that improve indicators, linked to ICMS.
Kim Kataguiri
5:36
About: model tax incentives to reward improvements in municipal indicators
So the municipalities, as we know today — it has already been recognized by the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal) and the National Congress — also have competence regarding security through the municipal guards, which are in reality municipal police, and to create awards and incentives so that the cities that bring the best indicators, those that show the greatest improvement in those indicators — so if a city is in a situation of calamity and improves, it receives reinforcement to invest in public security; if that city's public security is already good, we will not reward it for already being in a good situation, but if it further improves that city's situation through the repassacionário of the TMS, because, and I see this mainly from the federal perspective, but which is also reflected at the State level, we have a kind of perverse incentive.
Why it was classified this way · 88% confidence explains the current perverse incentive and proposes rewarding improvement, not just deterioration.
Kim Kataguiri
6:30
Because many times the distribution of funds goes to cities and states that have the worst indicators, under the justification that if things are worse they need more money.
Kim Kataguiri
6:41
What is the historical consequence that we have?
Kim Kataguiri
6:43
For more than 80 years this, quote-unquote, fight against regional inequalities...?
Kim Kataguiri
6:49
The poor states remained poor, continued with terrible indicators, and we created a perverse incentive that the worse the administrator is, the more resources he receives.
Kim Kataguiri
6:59
About: prevent territorial control by criminal factions
I would add one last point: to completely prevent in the State of São Paulo what happened in Rio de Janeiro, namely territorial domination.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence says preventing territorial domination, as occurred in RJ, is a priority.
Kim Kataguiri
7:09
About: carry out territory retake operations to reinforce law and order (Operation Dona Cláudia)
If I had been governor of the State at the time of Operação Verão and Operação Escudo, I would not have ended those operations as early as Governor Tassígio did; in my view he backed down for fear of taking hits from the press, for fear of being attacked by left-wing parties.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence criticizes ending operations early and says they would carry them through to the end.
Kim Kataguiri
7:24
I would not have had that fear.
Kim Kataguiri
7:26
To take the operations to their ultimate consequences, because the PCC, during Tarcísio's administration, had an opportunity — Governor Tarcísio had an opportunity because the PCC split.
Kim Kataguiri
7:36
For the first time, different factions within the criminal faction itself began literally killing each other.
Kim Kataguiri
7:42
And that opened the margin for our elite unit of the military police, Rota, to act, retaking territories and exterminating organized crime leaders.
Kim Kataguiri
7:53
And unfortunately that was not carried through to the end because of the governor's fear.
Kim Kataguiri
7:59
About: regulate the police organic law to modernize investigations and structure state police forces
And another point: Governor Tarcísio promised to structure the police, he did not regulate the organic law of the police that we approved here in the National Congress, which modernizes the system and mainly facilitates investigation, and we know that the crime resolution rate is very low in the State of São Paulo and in Brazil in general; he did not give the salary adjustment that the State had promised.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence criticizes the lack of regulation and advocates modernization to facilitate investigations.
Kim Kataguiri
8:22
São Paulo pays the salaries of military police from other states because of our Federative Pact, but our own police have very low pay compared to others, and at the same time the equipment is inadequate.
Kim Kataguiri
8:34
About: invest in equipment for Forensic Police and Military Police
We need drones for the forensic police; we need chromatographs, which are the equipment that identify the chemical substances in drugs to submit them to Anvisa's list of controlled substances and avoid drug seizures not being considered trafficking because that substance is not on Anvisa's list.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence lists the need for drones and chromatographs to improve forensic capacity.
Kim Kataguiri
8:50
About: strengthen police forces with better training and management
Various measures we can take to improve public security in the State of São Paulo, which, in my view, having the best military police, the best forensic police, the best prison police, the best civil police, and one of the best Public Prosecutor's Offices, would have the capacity to achieve much better security and be far superior to other states.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence states that with better police forces and agencies there would be much superior security in the State.
Kim Kataguiri
9:09
Unfortunately, even though we live through a situation of insecurity across Brazil, in the State of São Paulo it could be better compared to others.
Desconhecido
9:20
Deputy, you mentioned several initiatives you would take as an elected governor to improve security, because as much as the numbers show that robberies and deaths have decreased, in short, the public's perception is different and this really even shows up in polls.
Desconhecido
9:38
But you also mentioned many investments.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
9:41
About: explain the origin of security investments proposed by the state government
Such as drones, cameras, and implementing monitoring to prevent PCC members from leaving the State of São Paulo.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence asks where the investments would come from, requesting financial justification.
Desconhecido
9:49
Where would those investments come from, deputy?
Kim Kataguiri
9:53
Well, let's go.
Kim Kataguiri
9:54
Regarding fiscal balance, I'm glad that the first two questions related to this, because they are my two areas of expertise here in the Chamber of Deputies: both public finance and public security.
Kim Kataguiri
10:10
About: present a diagnosis of the net consolidated debt to current revenue ratio
When we analyze the State of São Paulo's net consolidated debt in relation to the State's net current revenue, in 2022 it reached, before Tarcísio's government, the lowest value in the historical series that began in 1997.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence reports debt-to-revenue ratio data between 2022 and 2025 without proposing immediate action.
Kim Kataguiri
10:26
So we had the best result in 2022 since 1997.
Kim Kataguiri
10:34
This ratio, which was 1.15 in 2022, went to 1.24 in 2025.
Kim Kataguiri
10:40
So there was a deterioration of public accounts in the State of São Paulo, even though the National Congress approved — and I even voted against it because I considered it too beneficial to the states in the sense of incentivizing bad payers and bad governors and disincentivizing good governors — but there was an approved benefit of debt renegotiation by the National Congress that would give all the conditions for the State of São Paulo
Kim Kataguiri
11:11
to improve its situation.
Kim Kataguiri
11:13
About: promote state administrative reform to lengthen careers and align salaries with the private sector
We know that São Paulo's fiscal situation is historically reasonable compared to other states; nothing is extraordinary — it never was during PSDB administrations, and it continued not to be during TARCID's administration, which even worsened this net consolidated debt ratio — but we would have the opportunity to open fiscal space, both regarding the civil servant regime and the state's own social security regime within São Paulo.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence proposes longer career paths and salary alignment explicitly as reform.
Kim Kataguiri
11:38
As well as by promoting an administrative reform that would make state career tracks longer, because today we have a lag, a difference.
Kim Kataguiri
11:48
Federal public servants are those who, within public service where there are some equalities, receive double what is received in the private sector.
Kim Kataguiri
11:59
State employees receive on average 45–50% more than in the private sector.
Kim Kataguiri
12:03
We need longer career tracks, because when you reach the top of a public service career very quickly you start wanting, as we see especially among the elite — the Ministério Público, the Judiciary, legal careers in the Executive Branch — you reach the ceiling of R$ 46,000 and start fighting for perks to receive above the ceiling.
Kim Kataguiri
12:27
And one of the reasons our state deputy, Luto Zacarias, left Governor Tarcísio's base was because Governor Tarcísio always sent projects, forwarded projects to the Judiciary.
Kim Kataguiri
12:38
To expand privileges, to expand super salaries.
Kim Kataguiri
12:41
And every time the government asked our deputy Guto Zacarias for his vote in favor of these privileges, it increased the deficit in public accounts with the money of the poorest worker, which we know is the main source of ICMS revenue.
Kim Kataguiri
12:57
ICMS is a tax on consumption.
Kim Kataguiri
12:59
The tax on consumption is the most regressive of all, because those most affected are always the poorest.
Kim Kataguiri
13:05
When taxation is not on income or on wealth, consumption taxation is the worst of all, or perhaps the second worst if we consider payroll taxation.
Kim Kataguiri
13:15
And another point: there is a discretionary distribution criterion of ICMS, which is 35%, about R$16 billion, which can be distributed to municipalities according to criteria defined by state law.
Kim Kataguiri
13:33
We know that it is very difficult for a legislative assembly to oppose a governor, because the assembly has very limited powers in terms of legislative competence; the Brazilian system is so crazy that a city councilor has more legislative competence than a state deputy.
Kim Kataguiri
13:47
But just to say that it is very easy for the governor to change state legislation, both from the point of view of administrative reform and from the point of view of confronting privileges of the Public Ministry and the Judiciary.
Kim Kataguiri
13:57
as well as with regard to using that R$ 16 billion fiscal space to provide an incentive to municipalities.
Kim Kataguiri
14:03
In fact, I spoke about drones; I filed an amendment — I remember it off the top of my head now — for the Americana Municipal Guard to acquire drones with cutting-edge technology.
Kim Kataguiri
14:16
That same incentive within that 35% of the ICMS could be given so that other municipalities could adopt the same initiative.
Kim Kataguiri
14:24
Fiscal space in São Paulo, first, is not lacking, and second, can also be created through a series of measures, some of which I listed here.
Kim Kataguiri
14:32
Deputy, to keep the State healthy, would you cut spending?
Kim Kataguiri
14:39
Where would you cut?
Kim Kataguiri
14:43
No, as I said to you.
Kim Kataguiri
14:44
The first point is administrative reform.
Kim Kataguiri
14:47
If you make careers longer, that means the career begins with a lower salary.
Kim Kataguiri
14:53
and it takes longer for you to reach the top of the career.
Kim Kataguiri
14:55
Because when we look, it is obvious there are exceptions, but most state public service careers have a much faster progression than what is seen in the private sector.
Kim Kataguiri
15:11
And with a salary, as I told you, 45% to 50% higher.
Kim Kataguiri
15:16
So I would carry out an administrative reform aligning public careers' salaries
Kim Kataguiri
15:23
with what is seen in the private sector, also because there is another phenomenon in Brazil: while in developed countries you see the brightest minds seeking innovation and careers in the private sector, and, on the other hand, those who go into public service are those who have a vocation to perform that function, who want to perform it,
Kim Kataguiri
15:51
who want that function because their dream is to carry out that public service.
Kim Kataguiri
15:56
In Brazil, no.
Kim Kataguiri
15:57
We draw many minds with great growth potential from the private sector to the public sector not because they love that public function, but because they love the salary and the stability of that position.
Kim Kataguiri
16:12
So aligning salaries with the private sector would first open fiscal space and then improve
Kim Kataguiri
16:19
the efficiency of public service from the moment its salaries are compatible with those in the private sector, and only those who in fact have the vocation would go into the public sector.
Kim Kataguiri
16:30
Of course this is not absolute, of course there are exceptions, but that is the general principle.
Kim Kataguiri
16:36
About: promote pension reform in dialogue with the National Congress
On the other hand, a pension reform in the special regime we have in the State of São Paulo, which is incompatible with, for example, the INSS, an ordinary pension,
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence advocates pension reform in the specific public regime to correct imbalances.
Kim Kataguiri
16:49
in which you work more to receive less and it is unfair from a budgetary point of view, and even from the point of view of justice in the general sense, for the private sector worker to be poorer, to lack stability and to have to work longer to receive less, when, from the perspective of the special regime, we do not have, first, actuarial balance, so the contribution — because let us remember, a pension benefit is a benefit with a counterpart.
Kim Kataguiri
17:19
the worker must contribute during his working life in order later to receive the fruits of that contribution.
Kim Kataguiri
17:26
The imbalance we have today is that the contribution made is incompatible with the benefit granted afterwards.
Kim Kataguiri
17:33
The benefit ends up being more expensive than the payments made during that public service life.
Kim Kataguiri
17:40
So my assessment would also open space through pension reform and, finally, by reinforcing as well, blocking
Kim Kataguiri
17:48
About: block and revoke perks and privileges for state legal careers
all projects and revoking those already approved related to add-ons, privileges, undue indemnities for the MPF, for the Public Defender's Office, for the Judiciary, the Court of Justice of São Paulo, and for the State prosecutors as well, for the State's legal careers.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence proposes blocking projects and revoking privileges that increase the deficit in public accounts.
Desconhecido
18:06
Now, Deputy, there is another very serious problem and the State of São Paulo is at the top of that list, which is violence against women.
Desconhecido
18:14
I recall that four years ago we held hearings with the pre-candidates — Sabino was also with me on that occasion — the pre-candidates for the São Paulo governorship.
Desconhecido
18:23
I even had the opportunity to represent Band News TV and ask questions to the candidates in the debate here at Band.
Desconhecido
18:29
Much was promised in practice.
Desconhecido
18:32
Very little was done.
Desconhecido
18:33
The State of São Paulo continues to lead, and when we speak especially in terms of femicide numbers, there are few women's police stations, and even fewer that operate 24 hours.
Desconhecido
18:44
What are your proposals in this regard?
Kim Kataguiri
18:49
You are correct.
Kim Kataguiri
18:51
About: adopt life imprisonment or death penalty for perpetrators of femicide
When we see the State government's advertising regarding public security numbers, they announce all of them except femicide,
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence states that, in their view, life imprisonment or the death penalty would be appropriate (would require constitutional change).
Kim Kataguiri
18:59
which is precisely the indicator in which things got worse, and not only in terms of perception.
Kim Kataguiri
19:05
We see more and more reports of femicide happening, not only femicide; I remember a case that is, I will say, emblematic so as not to use a word the time does not allow, but of the man who committed the atrocity of running over the woman, then tying her to the car and dragging her.
Kim Kataguiri
19:28
Her on the asphalt.
Kim Kataguiri
19:29
It is a rather shocking scene.
Kim Kataguiri
19:30
My assessment, and allow me to stray a little from the discussion of the State government in this respect, is that we would even need a new Constitution so that it would be permitted that this person either remain imprisoned for the rest of his life or be sentenced to death.
Kim Kataguiri
19:46
To me, one or the other of those penalties would be appropriate because temporary imprisonment... it assumes that the person is capable of recovering and returning to social life.
Kim Kataguiri
20:00
A man who does something like that is not capable of recovering, he is not fit to live in society.
Kim Kataguiri
20:06
Punishment has the function of punishing, of removing from society and, for those who have the capacity for it, of resocializing.
Kim Kataguiri
20:15
In this case, in my assessment, there is no resocialization, but coming back to the State government.
Kim Kataguiri
20:21
I believe there are municipal initiatives that can be replicated; in fact, I was reading the book you made of the Banco de Cidades, with indicator analysis and the awards promoted by you, and one of the interesting aspects that some municipalities adopt is that one of the functions of municipal guards is already to conduct the Maria da Penha patrol; I believe there is a lack of personnel to perform this patrol, because response times today are not satisfactory.
Kim Kataguiri
20:53
Often, when the police force arrives, it is already too late.
Kim Kataguiri
20:57
Either the woman has already died, or has already suffered a sexual crime, or has already been tortured.
Kim Kataguiri
21:01
And we want, more than to punish a crime capable of such an atrocity, to prevent the crime from happening, or at least interrupt its commission as quickly as possible.
Kim Kataguiri
21:16
About: remove the legal limit on hiring municipal guards and allow increasing staff
And today there is — and this is another bill I work on here in the Chamber — a limitation on how many municipal guards municipalities can hire according to their population.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence points to a legal prohibition that prevents hiring and advocates expanding the municipal force.
Kim Kataguiri
21:28
And there are — and I discussed this with the security secretary of the municipality of São Caetano — São Caetano, for example, wants to hire more guards, has the financial and budgetary capacity to do so, but cannot because of a legal prohibition.
Kim Kataguiri
21:40
And that is a prohibition on the part of the federal government.
Kim Kataguiri
21:44
About: state-run municipal women's protection programs and strengthen specialized police stations
In my view, there are good municipal initiatives that can be state-ized regarding the panic button, regarding the Maria da Penha Patrol.
Why it was classified this way · 88% confidence urges taking good municipal initiatives to the state level, citing Patrulha and botão do pânico.
Kim Kataguiri
21:55
The regulation of the police organic law would also give us more flexibility to organize the civil police force in relation to specialized police stations, such as the women's police station, with the merger of careers that was promoted in federal law and, unfortunately, is not being regulated at the state level.
Kim Kataguiri
22:14
About: install panic buttons in public places where women are most vulnerable
And at the same time, I believe in initiatives like having the panic button placed where women are generally more vulnerable, in more secluded places, and I am also one of the adherents to the broken-windows theory and, let us say, curious about Gary Becker's study of the economics of crime, to also understand that there is a role of environmental order within public safety.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence explicitly advocates 'botão de pânico' for places where women are vulnerable.
Kim Kataguiri
22:43
About: implement urban revitalization, housing, and public lighting programs to prevent crime
that the criminal is like a rat; he likes places without lighting, dirty and empty.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence theoretical description of criminals' preference for unlit locations (explains the problem).
Kim Kataguiri
22:49
About: implement urban revitalization, housing, and public lighting programs to prevent crime
So the most we can do is bring life to public places as much as possible, and in that sense housing programs, urban sealing programs, public lighting programs — all of this is integrated to prevent crimes especially committed against women, which are the ones with our worst indicators.
Why it was classified this way · 92% confidence explicitly proposes lighting, housing, and revitalization to prevent crimes against women.
Kim Kataguiri
23:10
About: implement urban revitalization, housing, and public lighting programs to prevent crime
but this improves public safety in general.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence states that these measures improve public security overall.
Kim Kataguiri
23:12
About: mobilize the state delegation in Brasília to approve the state's public security projects
And just to close, taking advantage of the segue on public safety and the need for projects here within the National Congress, the State government of São Paulo is one of the least active governments in the National Congress, because there are several matters that are of interest to the State regarding public safety, for example,
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence criticizes inaction by the state government and points to the need for bills in Congress.
Kim Kataguiri
23:36
About: respect legislative competencies between the Union and States
that the state government does not have the competence to legislate on.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence states that the state government does not have the authority to legislate on a certain issue.
Kim Kataguiri
23:41
About: mobilize state delegations in Brasília to approve projects of interest to the states
But other governors frequently mobilize their state caucuses to approve projects of their interest.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence notes that other governors mobilize their caucuses to approve projects.
Kim Kataguiri
23:48
About: articulate the São Paulo bench in Brasília to defend the State's interests
Not São Paulo; in São Paulo there is a vacuum of political coordination in Brasília and we are the largest caucus — we are 70 deputies.
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence criticizes São Paulo's lack of coordination and highlights the size of its caucus.
Kim Kataguiri
23:55
About: approve matters of State interest with cross-party support
And there are matters of interest to the State that, just as I vote, PSOL votes, PT votes and PL votes.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence reports that different parties vote on matters based on state-level interests.
Kim Kataguiri
24:03
About: articulate a bench to influence budget votes to benefit the State
Because of the State's interest — and I see this in many budget votes.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence says they observe this behavior in several budgetary votes.
Kim Kataguiri
24:07
But just to pull a thread.
Kim Kataguiri
24:08
About: support the structuring and financing of specialized police stations
Regarding public safety, there are also issues, such as support for structuring specialized police stations, which go through federal legislation and require articulation by the State government.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence indicates the need for support to structure specialized police stations via federal legislation.
Kim Kataguiri
24:20
About: mobilize the state delegation in Brasília to approve the state's public security projects
And this does not come from the Tarcísio government, this comes from several African governments as well, it is a... mess here inside the National Congress.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Criticizes the tradition of lack of coordination in previous governments and Congress.
Kim Kataguiri
24:27
Deputy, you once said that politics is war.
Kim Kataguiri
24:31
Do you really think that?
Kim Kataguiri
24:32
Do you still hold that view?
Kim Kataguiri
24:34
How do you reconcile that view with the office of governor?
Kim Kataguiri
24:41
Well, I was not the one who said that, it was Winston Churchill.
Kim Kataguiri
24:44
I was repeating his phrase that politics is like war, no less exciting, no less violent, but it is a war in which you can die many times.
Kim Kataguiri
24:53
That was more or less the phrase, and it is indeed so. War — politics — came to replace war, not by chance.
Kim Kataguiri
25:02
What do we call the election period?
Kim Kataguiri
25:04
Campaign.
Kim Kataguiri
25:05
Campaign comes from war, right?
Kim Kataguiri
25:06
Campaign comes from the conquest of territories.
Kim Kataguiri
25:08
So the nature of the struggle for power is a nature that, before politics, was violent.
Kim Kataguiri
25:19
It has not ceased to be a war, albeit a civilized war, since the existence of politics.
Kim Kataguiri
25:26
And it is not at all incompatible with the office of governor to recognize this fact.
Kim Kataguiri
25:31
And it is not an opinion, it is a fact.
Kim Kataguiri
25:33
The struggle for power is and always will be aggressive.
Kim Kataguiri
25:38
It is and always will be and will always involve an incisive, harsh debate.
Kim Kataguiri
25:43
Now, being harsh and incisive is not a lack of capacity; it is not synonymous with an inability to dialogue and to build.
Kim Kataguiri
25:53
About: approve the bill under discussion
I am one of the deputies who has gotten the most reports of bills and bills approved in the National Congress.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Claims to have approved many reports and projects as proof of capability.
Kim Kataguiri
26:00
And I am the leader of a one-man caucus.
Kim Kataguiri
26:05
The Missão Party has only one deputy: me.
Kim Kataguiri
26:07
About: approve the bill under discussion
And even so I managed to approve more government-base projects than the Bolsonarist deputies in the PL there, your 60, 70 deputies, plus a few splinters from other parties, because of my capacity to build.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Attributes project approvals to their ability to build a majority and to broker support.
Kim Kataguiri
26:24
So when it comes time to contest power, evidently politics is war.
Kim Kataguiri
26:28
You need to defeat your opponent.
Kim Kataguiri
26:30
so that you can institute the vision of State that you have, within your worldview, and implement it in the government program.
Kim Kataguiri
26:38
Now, another moment is the moment to govern.
Kim Kataguiri
26:41
And the moment to govern is the moment to build, the moment to articulate.
Kim Kataguiri
26:45
About: coordinate parliamentary support to pass bills
And that, from my seven years' experience within the National Congress, I have demonstrated I am capable of doing.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Uses seven years of experience to claim ability to build coalitions and govern.
Desconhecido
26:51
Deputy, you said that the decision about your candidacy or not was made in a meeting, so it seems to us that a decision already exists, but that officially we will all only know on the 20th, if I am not mistaken, which is on Saturday.
Desconhecido
27:04
But I wanted to ask how politically important that is, because you just said, I am the only deputy from Missão.
Desconhecido
27:12
We know it would be the party's first candidacy, therefore also the party's first run for the State government of São Paulo.
Desconhecido
27:18
In some electoral polls that appear, you are very critical — you are a critic of the PT especially — and we have a pre-candidate from the PT, who is Fernando Haddad, and when you appear in some of those polls, it is when a second round shows up.
Desconhecido
27:34
When you do not appear, there is even the possibility that Tarcísio de Freitas could be re-elected in the first round.
Desconhecido
27:43
But beyond that, you have a pre-candidate for the presidency who has been emerging; Renan Santos has been gaining a lot of ground.
Desconhecido
27:49
It would be important for him to have a campaign foothold here in São Paulo.
Desconhecido
27:53
How are you positioning all of this, fitting it all together, and what will be the priority?
Kim Kataguiri
28:00
I think you painted the perfect picture.
Kim Kataguiri
28:01
You could even be included in our party discussion, because these are exactly the elements to be considered.
Kim Kataguiri
28:10
About: launch candidacy for Governor of São Paulo state
It is extremely important for the party to have a candidacy for the government of the state of São Paulo.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence Affirms it is very important for the party to have a candidacy for the state government.
Kim Kataguiri
28:15
It is the largest state in the federation; it has the largest electorate.
Kim Kataguiri
28:19
About: support and mobilize to elect Renan Santos to the Presidency of the Republic
We really believe that Renan Santos will win the presidency of the Republic, and everything we can do to make that happen, we will do.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence Declares belief in Renan's victory and a willingness to do everything for it.
Kim Kataguiri
28:28
And, at the same time, as you said, today I am the only deputy, and some of my own supporters, from the activist base of the Partido Missão and the Movimento Brasil Livre, a wing argues that I should run for reelection because of my experience here, of being able to lead a caucus.
Kim Kataguiri
28:48
About: run for elective office
for the next legislature, but I am not anxious about the possibility of not being reelected as a deputy.
Why it was classified this way · 50% confidence Says they are not troubled about re-election, without stating a clear intention.
Kim Kataguiri
28:57
About: elect federal deputies for the party
First, because I know, and I have traveled around Brazil, that we have slates with pre-candidates for federal deputy who are very competent and who will win and who will not fall short compared to my performance here in Brasília.
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence States there are competent slates that will win and replace his role.
Kim Kataguiri
29:11
About: elect federal deputies for the party
Some of them, in fact, I have no doubt will be much better than me here
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Declares confidence that some candidates will be better than him.
Kim Kataguiri
29:17
in the National Congress.
Kim Kataguiri
29:18
Second, because I do not think that my participation on the federal deputy slate is fatal for the party.
Kim Kataguiri
29:25
About: use the presidential candidacy's performance to attract party-list votes and strengthen proportional candidacies
My non-participation would not be fatal because, beyond the excellent personnel we have who should be elected with their own votes, the performance of Renan's candidacy for the presidency of the Republic should also bring a lot of party-list votes, should also bring a lot of votes from those people who do not choose
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Argues that Renan's candidacy will bring party-list votes and strengthen the party.
Kim Kataguiri
29:44
specifically their candidate for federal deputy or state deputy; they simply follow the same party number as their presidential candidate.
Kim Kataguiri
29:52
About: use the presidential candidacy to strengthen the party and proportional candidacies
And I believe this will greatly strengthen the party.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Says they believe this will greatly strengthen the party.
Kim Kataguiri
29:56
We have taken that into account in our calculations.
Kim Kataguiri
29:59
On the other hand, it is a very difficult election; it is an unlikely election.
Kim Kataguiri
30:05
My candidacy would be a long-shot bid for the governorship of the state.
Kim Kataguiri
30:11
We know it is very difficult to win
Kim Kataguiri
30:13
About: ensure the state government's agenda autonomy without delegating coordination to Kassab
against someone who is already in the seat and who is still in the same political spectrum as me, despite a strong tie to which I distance myself that Governor Tarcísio has in relation to bolsonarism, and also another tie of handing over — and I would never allow that to happen in my potential government — that the entire political agenda of the State Government be run by Kassab.
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence States they will never allow the state's agenda to be handled by Kassab in a potential government.
Kim Kataguiri
30:37
About: avoid political dependence on Bolsonarism
So, on one side there is... a very great dependence and a very great subservience to Bolsonaro.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence Notes the existence of great dependence and subservience to Bolsonaro (criticizes third parties).
Kim Kataguiri
30:45
On the other side, you have the delegation of political coordination 100% to one of the leading figures of the Centrão.
Kim Kataguiri
30:51
So, in short... And it is not that the meeting has already happened; there will be a party meeting tonight to make the decision and then announce it on the 20th.
Kim Kataguiri
31:03
All of this will be weighed, just to lay out for you what will be on the table at our meeting today.
Desconhecido
31:11
Thank you very much for joining us here.
Desconhecido
31:14
You were the first guest in this interview session we are conducting with the pre-candidates for governor of São Paulo.
Desconhecido
31:20
We appreciate the meeting tonight; so we should already have the decision, but officially, then, on Saturday the 20th.
Desconhecido
31:26
Thank you, okay?
Desconhecido
31:27
Thank you, deputy.
Desconhecido
31:29
I thank you.
Desconhecido
31:30
A pleasure to participate.
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