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KIM REVOLTA MINISTRO PETISTA DO GOVERNO LULA
62 classified statements · 1 politicians · June 17, 2026 · 13 min
Statements by Kim Kataguiri. 62 excerpts classified by topic and stance. Topics: Fiscal Reform, Legislative Process, Public Budget, Fiscal Transparency.
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Kim Kataguiri
0:00
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
The new Minister of Finance dodged the question when I confronted him about the rise in mandatory spending, which was in fact the government itself that increased those expenditures.
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence criticizes the government for having recently increased mandatory expenditures.
Kim Kataguiri
0:10
About: government assume responsibility for bombshell measures approved in the National Congress
And now, in several interviews he's giving to signal to the financial market, he complains and says that it's Congress that is approving bombshell measures.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence criticizes the minister for shifting blame to Congress, calling for accountability.
Kim Kataguiri
0:18
About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
But the government's base votes unanimously in favor of these bombshell measures; in fact, the majority of Bolsonaro-aligned deputies also vote for these measures.
Why it was classified this way · 86% confidence reports that the base votes unanimously in favor of the so-called 'pautas bomba'.
Kim Kataguiri
0:27
About: vote against bills that increase mandatory expenditures
The only one who didn't vote for any of them was me — the only one, truly the only one; it's not that I'm part of a minority.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence claims to have been the only one to vote against those measures (claim of action).
Kim Kataguiri
0:33
About: vote against bills that increase mandatory expenditures
The only one who voted against all the bombshell measures approved by the National Congress was me, and I told the minister that.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence reaffirms having voted against all approved 'pautas bomba'.
Kim Kataguiri
0:40
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
Minister, I read an interview in Estadão with a very wise person, and that person said the following, 'if mandatory spending continues compressing the limit, there comes a point when you zero out discretionary spending.'
Why it was classified this way · 62% confidence cites the minister's warning about the risk of zeroing discretionary spending.
Kim Kataguiri
0:55
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
The year starts, it's on autopilot: pay wage floors, pay pensions, social programs, INSS, civil servant salaries — and that's it.
Why it was classified this way · 60% confidence lists items that would be paid automatically if mandatory expenditures squeeze the budget.
Kim Kataguiri
1:04
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
The same person said, if we don't moderate the pressure from mandatory expenditures, we will make the country unviable.
Why it was classified this way · 88% confidence declares full agreement with the warning about making the country unviable.
Kim Kataguiri
1:10
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
And I agreed with every word, 100% of what that person said.
Why it was classified this way · 90% confidence states he agrees 100% with the criticism about mandatory expenditures.
Kim Kataguiri
1:25
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
For two years I've been warning about this issue of mandatory expenditures bulldozing the budget; we no longer have discretionary spending.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence says that for two years he has warned about mandatory expenditures steamrolling the budget.
Kim Kataguiri
1:34
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
But the one who promoted this advance of mandatory expenditures was the Lula government, through the transition PEC.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence attributes the growth in mandatory expenditures to a measure of the previous government (criticism).
Kim Kataguiri
1:42
About: avoid revenue earmarks that increase mandatory expenditures
Our spending is tied; increases in revenue force us to spend more because of earmarks to tax revenue and to net current revenue.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence explains a linking mechanism that forces spending increases when revenue rises.
Kim Kataguiri
1:55
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
So the trampling by mandatory expenditures came from measures sent by the Lula government.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence attributes the overrunning of mandatory expenditures to measures by the previous government (criticism).
Kim Kataguiri
2:02
About: coordinate approval of PECs that increase mandatory expenditures
Then you might tell me, 'No, the transition PEC was approved in the previous government, but with a majority built by the Lula government.'
Why it was classified this way · 68% confidence states that the transition PEC was approved with a majority built by the Lula government.
Kim Kataguiri
2:08
About: draft PECs aimed at the next administration
The transition PEC was made for whoever was going to take office.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence says the transition PEC was made for those who would assume office (historical context).
Kim Kataguiri
2:11
About: coordinate approval of PECs that increase mandatory expenditures
And I was here, and those who orchestrated its approval were the Lula government, the PT.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence attributes the orchestration of the approval to the Lula/PT government.
Kim Kataguiri
2:16
About: finance fiscal space by increasing debt
So that there could be fiscal space in the next year, not based on revenue increases nor on spending cuts, but on the growth of debt.
Why it was classified this way · 60% confidence states that the PEC sought fiscal space not through revenue or cuts, but via the debt.
Kim Kataguiri
2:32
About: avoid budget maneuvers that exclude expenditures from the primary balance
Of the R$200 billion in stimuli that have been granted by the government since last year, this is an estimate by Mansueto and Samuel Pessoa, whom I imagine Your Excellency respects, 94% fall outside the primary result because of budgetary maneuvers, including one of them... already pointed out by the Federal Court of Accounts, the existence of a parallel budget, because the government sends it to a private fund; this is one of the maneuvers, not all of them.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence denounces 94% of stimuli occurring outside the primary result due to budgetary maneuvers.
Kim Kataguiri
3:03
About: end implementation of public policies by private funds outside the General Budget of the Union
They send it to a private fund, execute public policy spending through that private fund, and this occurs in the budget that is outside the General Budget of the Union, which is not under our control in parliament, and which takes place in a very non-transparent manner.
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence accuses transfer to a private fund and execution outside the OGU, without transparency.
Kim Kataguiri
3:19
About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
Your Excellency complained in several interviews that I watched and read in recent weeks about the so-called bombshell measures approved by the National Congress.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence records the minister's complaints about 'pautas bomba' approved by Congress.
Kim Kataguiri
3:30
About: vote against bills that increase mandatory expenditures
I was here for the vote on each one of them and I voted against each of them.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence says he was present at each vote and voted against (claim of action).
Kim Kataguiri
3:34
About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
The entirety of the Lula government's base voted in favor of them, Minister.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence states that the entirety of the government's base voted in favor of those measures.
Kim Kataguiri
3:39
About: approve bombshell measures that increase public spending
Seven — there were seven special retirements, salary floors, both in committees and in the plenary of the Chamber.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence lists seven special pensions and salary floors approved (description).
Kim Kataguiri
3:57
About: approve bombshell measures in the National Congress
All those bombshell measures that the Ministry of Finance, that the Lula government, place under the responsibility of the National Congress received unanimous votes from the government.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence attributes responsibility for the approved measures to Congress's votes.
Kim Kataguiri
4:09
About: government assume responsibility for bombshell measures approved in the National Congress
And I know there is a strategy on the part of the government to try to say, 'No, it was Congress that did it.'
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Accuses the government of a strategy of blaming the National Congress, calling for a different stance.
Kim Kataguiri
4:38
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
So, all the bombshell measures that the government now complains about, that are squeezing budget space, had unanimous support.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Claims that budget‑busting proposals that squeeze the budget had unanimous support.
Kim Kataguiri
5:05
About: adopt fiscal responsibility in government
So, from a fiscal standpoint, I help the government more than the government's base does.
Why it was classified this way · 72% confidence Says he helps the government more on the fiscal aspect than the government's own base does.
Kim Kataguiri
5:08
About: adopt fiscal responsibility in government
I am more aligned with Your Excellency's interviews than with the PT base and the government's base, which were in favor of all the bombshell measures.
Why it was classified this way · 76% confidence Says he aligns more with the minister's interviews than with the PT base.
Kim Kataguiri
5:23
About: align the government's political actions with fiscal responsibility rhetoric
So you can't have a more responsible, correct and orthodox discourse at the Ministry of Finance, and yet politically blow up the public accounts and do the opposite of what the Minister of Finance preaches.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Criticizes the contradiction between the Ministry's rhetoric and the government's political actions.
Kim Kataguiri
5:41
About: increase subsidized credit operations
We've had an increase in operations and in the stock of subsidized credit operations.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Reports an increase in the stock of subsidized credit operations (data).
Kim Kataguiri
5:48
About: increase subsidized credit operations
It increased by about R$275 billion since last year, roughly 2% of GDP.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Details the amount (R$275 billion) and its share of GDP (quantitative citation).
Kim Kataguiri
5:54
About: monitor impact of credit operations on inflation
The impact on aggregate demand should generate a boost of more or less 1% of GDP and the market's inflation expectation went from 4.1% to 5.3%.
Why it was classified this way · 68% confidence Points to effects on aggregate demand and inflation expectations.
Kim Kataguiri
6:05
About: prevent collapse of public accounts
So, Minister, we might experience in the next government, for the first time, a shutdown scenario, as Your Excellency described in the interview for Estadão.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Warns of a fiscal 'shutdown' risk due to the collapse of public accounts.
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Desconhecido
6:53
About: cut primary expenditures to comply with fiscal rules
There are the primary resources provided for in the budget, approved by Congress, for which this year we are making a cut of R$23 billion, as I already said, complying with all fiscal rules.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Minister says he made a cut of R$23 billion to comply with fiscal rules.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
7:02
About: distinguish the nature of financial resources and primary resources in the budget
Different from primary resources, you have the financial resources.
Why it was classified this way · 72% confidence Explains the difference between primary resources and financial resources.
- For
Desconhecido
7:04
About: ensure that planned financial resources also go through the National Congress
They have different rules from primary resources, but they are also provided for in the budget and everything goes through the National Congress.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence States that financial resources are also provided for in the budget and go through the National Congress.
Kim Kataguiri
7:31
About: avoid budget maneuvers that exclude expenditures from the primary balance
And when they denounce that 94% of new expenditures promoted by the government were left outside the fiscal framework, that is true.
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Endorses the claim that 94% of new spending was outside the fiscal framework.
Kim Kataguiri
7:51
About: comply with limits of the fiscal framework
Our main criticism is that it was outside the fiscal rules.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Says the central criticism is that expenditures were made outside the fiscal rules.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
7:55
About: distinguish the nature of financial resources and primary resources in the budget
As for the spending limit, you are mixing what is a financial limit, for example the agribusiness discussion, which is financial resources.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Minister explains that the financial and primary limits are different (clarification).
- Against
Desconhecido
8:02
About: eliminate the secret budget and prevent use of amendments to buy parliamentary support
In what Kim brought up, 'ah, but you are using financial resources to make spending above the framework limit.'
Why it was classified this way · 68% confidence Minister denies that financial resources are being used to spend beyond the fiscal framework.
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Desconhecido
8:11
About: ensure that planned financial resources also go through the National Congress
So it's important to distinguish, and even having distinct natures, the two expenditures, whether primary expenditure or financial expenditure, they enter the budget that is approved by Congress, therefore it is not true that Congress doesn't know or doesn't follow along.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Says that both primary and financial expenditures are included in the budget approved by the National Congress.
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Desconhecido
8:30
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
Indeed, we have to look at the trajectory of mandatory expenditure.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Minister acknowledges the need to manage the trajectory of mandatory expenditures.
- For
Desconhecido
8:32
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
We have to take care that the trajectory of mandatory expenditure does not cut the space for discretionary expenditure, expenditure for investment that the country needs.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Argues for preventing mandatory spending from crowding out discretionary investment.
Kim Kataguiri
8:48
About: require coherence between the Ministry of Finance's rhetoric and the government's political stance
But what about the main question I raised?
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence Questions the Ministry's usefulness if the government does the opposite of what it preaches.
Kim Kataguiri
8:53
About: attribute to the government responsibility for agendas that increase expenditures
saying it is against increasing mandatory expenditure while every bill that increases mandatory expenditure and the government's base votes unanimously in favor?
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Asks why the ministry claims to be against increases when the governing base votes in favor.
Kim Kataguiri
9:01
About: assume political costs to defend fiscal responsibility
He didn't have the courage, because he cannot have that courage, otherwise he loses his position, to say that what is correct is exactly what he has said in interviews, that mandatory expenditures are increasing.
Why it was classified this way · 76% confidence States that the minister lacked the courage to tell the truth for fear of losing his position.
Kim Kataguiri
9:12
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
and that the government's stance is irresponsible, that the government's stance is to blow the public accounts, the government's stance is to increase mandatory expenditures until we have zero investment, until we have zero possibilities for new
Why it was classified this way · 85% confidence Accuses the government of blowing up public finances and exhausting room for new policies.
Kim Kataguiri
9:28
About: preserve funding for discretionary programs such as Farmácia Popular and CAP/CNPq
already existing policies, like Farmácia Popular is within the discretionary budget that will cease to exist, CAP, CNPq, the discretionary budget will cease to exist, federal public safety and environment policies.
Why it was classified this way · 82% confidence Warns that discretionary programs may cease to exist if mandatory spending grows.
Kim Kataguiri
9:41
About: align the government's political actions with fiscal responsibility rhetoric
So the minister says he has a fiscal responsibility discourse, but the government's base goes in the absolutely opposite direction.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Reaffirms that a serious fiscal discourse is impossible while the governing base votes against it.
Kim Kataguiri
10:00
About: adopt fiscal responsibility in government
No, sorry, minister, but there is no commitment to fiscal responsibility.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Accuses the government of lacking commitment to fiscal responsibility (critical stance).
Kim Kataguiri
10:07
About: increase consumption taxes
On the other hand, it increased taxation for revenue, but it did not cut mandatory spending.
Why it was classified this way · 68% confidence States that the government raised taxation to increase revenue (factual description).
Kim Kataguiri
10:13
About: promote cuts in mandatory expenditures
It didn't worry about lowering interest rates, it didn't worry about giving credibility to the government itself to be able to... finance the government with cheaper credit, it didn't manage to promote the necessary cuts and didn't even try to promote the necessary cuts so that we could have fiscal balance.
Why it was classified this way · 80% confidence Says the government did not attempt to implement the cuts needed for fiscal balance.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
10:32
About: correct flaws in the tax reform
So what we saw happen in recent years, before this government, what the 'tese do século', which was a defeat of the Temer government in the STF (Supreme Federal Tribunal), by 6 to 5 inclusive, caused in fiscal waivers for the country, was at least 700 billion.
Why it was classified this way · 66% confidence Minister describes the impact of an STF decision that generated tax waivers.
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Desconhecido
10:49
About: finance Fundeb with a defined source of funds
When in the previous government the former Minister of Finance, of the Economy, accepted a Fundeb at 23% without funding, without a source of resources, you go from a budget in which the previous government was putting 15 billion in Fundeb to a budget that we put this year in Fundeb for education of 70 billion.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Minister says he put R$70 billion into Fundeb with a funding source (a claim of action).
- For
Desconhecido
11:09
About: use closed funds' resources to finance mandatory expenses like Fundeb
We are using funds' resources, those I mentioned, from subsidies, from CMS, from BET, to pay the Fundeb bill, which is a mandatory expenditure generated by the previous government.
Why it was classified this way · 74% confidence Advocates using resources from closed funds to pay for Fundeb.
- Neutral
Desconhecido
11:17
About: attribute the origin of mandatory expenditures to the previous government
It is important to correct deputy Kim's information: mandatory expenditures in general were created by the previous government.
Why it was classified this way · 65% confidence A minister corrects the record, stating that mandatory expenditures were created earlier.
Kim Kataguiri
11:24
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
Mandatory expenditures were not, as a rule, created by the previous government.
Why it was classified this way · 62% confidence Denies that mandatory expenditures were generally created by the previous government (a rebuttal).
Kim Kataguiri
11:30
About: approve Fundeb with increased participation without a funding source
They created the Fundeb issue, there was the PEC Kamikaze... all of PT voted in favor.
Why it was classified this way · 64% confidence Notes that PT voted in favor of Fundeb (a factual statement about the vote).
Kim Kataguiri
11:36
About: acknowledge the government's responsibility for measures that increased mandatory expenditures
There is no moral high ground for the Lula government to talk about Bolsonaro government's mandatory spending, because they also voted in favor of the Bolsonaro government's mandatory spending.
Why it was classified this way · 68% confidence States that the PT caucus voted in favor of the measures that increased spending.
Kim Kataguiri
11:44
About: contain the growth of mandatory expenditures to protect discretionary spending
But the majority of today's mandatory expenditures stem from constitutional earmarkings, from constitutional indexations that returned because of the Lula government, which strangled the budget because of the Lula government.
Why it was classified this way · 75% confidence Attributes most mandatory spending to constitutional earmarks reintroduced by the government.
Kim Kataguiri
12:02
About: comply with the fiscal framework and avoid expenditures outside the primary balance
that the government made its expenditures complying with fiscal rules, going through the framework, because the majority did not pass and the government intentionally did not pass them.
Why it was classified this way · 78% confidence Claims that most spending bypassed the framework because the government chose not to use it.
Kim Kataguiri
12:16
About: acknowledge that the caucus's votes generated current mandatory expenditures
But even if that were the case, all those that were created had the vote of the PT caucus, which today is part of the Lula government.
Why it was classified this way · 70% confidence Reiterates that the creation of expenditures relied on votes from the PT caucus.
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